357 SIG

[Army GI]

Now if they'd only make a modern gun for 7.62 Tokarev

[onikuma]

picked up a p226st in .357 sig this month from a nice gentleman on sigforum, but i haven't had time to go shoot it because of work issues. hopefully after the work problems clear up in early june, i will have time to go try it out from what i have heard though, it seems like a good caliber to shoot.

price wise though, it is the same as .40sw from what i have seen, so price isnt an issue. it's just the preference of the shooter and what he or she is looking for in a round.

[duenor]

People adore the 357magnum because of its legendary hollywood appeal, and because it is often the limit of a shooter's capability to wield effectively in a revolver. indeed, the 357sig attempts to capitalize on that appeal - note its emphasis on "357".

i do agree that the ballistics are impressive, and look forward to shooting it (hint hint onikuma). at the moment i am not convinced - enough so that when i purchased a p229r i chose the nonconvertable 9mm model. but i would like to be persuaded.

as another poster noted, however, the 7.62x25 is the original deep penetration handgun round. it is still way up there in terms of velocity and penetration, and the military surplus romanian rounds still available on the market today will easily penetrate all but the most stubborn cover. it is interesting to note that in the box of truth handgun tests, the x25 was the only round capable of punching through an issue kevlar helmet.

both sides.

[JTROKS]

People poo-poo the .357 sig round but you don't hear the same bad mouthing of the .357 magnim round. The Sig .357 has very similar ballistics and does happen to be a very good round against two legged creatures. The 9mm, .40, and .45 are all good rounds too. I think that the .357 sig round has been one of the most innovative rounds to come out in the last 10+ years for self defense.

I read a comparison of the 357 Sig vs 357 Magnum and they are basically identical when light bullets are concern. I'm thinking the 357 magnum is still rated pretty high if not number 1 for one shot stop. Having a 357 Sig in a more compact pistol is like having 357 magnum 10x.

[onikuma]

People adore the 357magnum because of its legendary hollywood appeal, and because it is often the limit of a shooter's capability to wield effectively in a revolver. indeed, the 357sig attempts to capitalize on that appeal - note its emphasis on "357".

i do agree that the ballistics are impressive, and look forward to shooting it (hint hint onikuma). at the moment i am not convinced - enough so that when i purchased a p229r i chose the nonconvertable 9mm model. but i would like to be persuaded.

as another poster noted, however, the 7.62x25 is the original deep penetration handgun round. it is still way up there in terms of velocity and penetration, and the military surplus romanian rounds still available on the market today will easily penetrate all but the most stubborn cover. it is interesting to note that in the box of truth handgun tests, the x25 was the only round capable of punching through an issue kevlar helmet.

both sides.

audits june 2nd, meeting june 5th :P we can go the weekend of june 7th to test it out

[BossHog]

+1 for the 357SIG. I currently own 3 pistols chambered in this caliber (P226ST, P229R DAK, G33) and am a big fan.

[trinydex]

I converted my P226R to 357SIG a month or two ago and have enjoyed shooting it greatly. When I do groups at 25 yards, I do in fact notice that they are measurably tighter than groups with 40SW.

Just wanted to share my love of the caliber. It's more accurate, penetrates barriers better, and penetrates tissue deeper than 40SW or any of the other common pistol calibers. It's also fun to shoot because it makes a huge bang with the right ammo.


Comments: http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_357Sig.htm


Source: http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/w...om/357.fbi.htm

(keep in mind in the tests at the end they're comparing a shorter barreled 357sig to a 40sw and it still beats it in almost all tests.



Source: http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/w...om/357.fbi.htm

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm

just wondering what made them say this?

[Corbin Dallas]

I've always wanted to convert my glock 23 into .357 sig. Maybe this is the motivation I need

I'm still sold on the 10mm though. It will be my back country round of choice (except any large magnum rounds for bears). Its a shame more manufactures don't chamber for that round

Dracon,

I have a G23 with the G32 conversion barrel. Things I can tell you.

1) Walmart is the cheapest for 357SIG ammo at $28/50 winchester
2) Buy a quality conversion barrel (barsto, KKM, etc), not OEM Glock. The sig is an unforgiving round.
3) You WILL need to either buy new 357SIG mags OR the 357SIG follower for your 40 mags. You can use the 40 mags, but they are not reliable feeders at all. Take it from experience.
4) It is LOUD and people STOP to see what you're firing. Be prepared to answer LOTS of questions.
5) If you really like the round, consider investing in reloading equipment and buy the 125g FMJ TC .356 from Montana gold. That way you can reload 357SIG and 9mm with the same bullet.

Any other q's feel free to ask.

Oh yea, I LOVE the 357SIG!!!!

[FlyingPen]

$28/50 is double what I pay for new brass.

[AJD]

Well, the results of the .357 sig out-penatrating the 9mm and .40 loads are very misleading in those links. They're comparing them against the lighter loads in those calibers. 124gr and 147gr 9mm loads have more than 12 inches of penatration even in clothed gel. The heavier 165 and 180gr loads in .40S&W do as well. Comparing adequate loads of the .40 and 9mm that meet the minimum recomended FBI penatration standards of 12 inches, the .357sig doesn't offer that much more, if much in terms of penatration, and in terms of expansion they are all very close. I think that's what the folks in the Firearms tactical link were saying. Yes, the .357 sig puts out close to the same amount of muzzle energy as the famed .357 mag in some loads and that has some people excited. Though energy is somewhat overrated when evaluating handgun loads. Against most tissues that a projectile will encounter in the human body the energy produced by just about most handgun loads is not enough to cause extra wounding potential. With rifle rounds it's a whole different story.

[LAK Supply]

Just a note..... The 357 SIG does not, in any way, compare to the 357 mag. When comparing hot to hot in lighter weights (up to 125gr) the 357 mag takes it by 100-150 fps. At 147 vs 158 the mag takes it by 100-200 fps... with the heavier bullet. There is nothing to compare to after that... the 357 mag will run 200gr bullets while the SIG stops at 147.

Honestly, my G31 was fun to shoot for a while, but it didn't give me that much over +P 9mm to keep around... It had to go once I had a 10mm to feed.

Seriously... for all you guys who like that SIG.... give the 10mm a spin. The 10mm will do in a 165gr what the 357 SIG will do in a 125gr. You can shoot 230gr hardcasts out of the 10mm at @1150 as well. The problem is that once you start playing with the 10 you won't like your 357 SIG anymore....

[Corbin Dallas]

$28/50 is double what I pay for new brass.

You will note that I said "AMMO" not "BRASS"

[FlyingPen]

You will note that I said "AMMO" not "BRASS"

By Brass I meant new factory ammo, sorry for the confusion but you're overpaying quite a lot for ammo. I don't reload and never will for pistol rounds.

Well, the results of the .357 sig out-penatrating the 9mm and .40 loads are very misleading in those links.

Not really, the tests were done in the mid 90s. If you compare the best rounds available for each today, the 357SIG still handily beats the 40SW. There are 357SIG rounds with a muzzle velocity in the 1700fps range.

[ZOMBIEHUNTER]

i had a glock 357 loved it was very loud compared to other glocks sold it when i had my kid i think i will get another or maybe a glock 20 in 10mm

[ar15barrels]

I don't reload and never will for pistol rounds.

Never say never.

I load 9mm for $60 per 1000 and 45 for $80 per 1000.
The 308 I was shooting sunday only cost me $22 per 100 because I got a killer deal on 155gr SMK bullets.
It cost me more in gas than ammo for the day.

At some point, you will see the value in saving your brass.
For now, keep sending it my way.