44 mag lube casting question

[Derangerous]

Mkay so, I was wondering what kind of Lube I should use on my bullets? I am reloading 240gr SWC. I am use to using H110 powder for my main. The Lyman's reloading book says I can use this powder about 23-24grs it suggestions. Figure I would keep it low at 23gr. But here is my main question. What lube should I use!? Considering this bullet will be 'screaming' down range, I've read I need or should use a stiffer lube. So I shouldnt use the Lee alox that comes with this kit. And I really dont wanna fork out the money for a good luber/sizer press... yet, as well not pay a premium for the small little lube sticks you can buy off the shelf. I need a good recipe for pan lubing these bad boys. What should I use though? There is so many out there I dont know which to use for it.. Any help? Oh also, gas checks. If my mold says they are designed with gas check. I should be fine? Trying to keep leading to a minimum.

[koehn,jim]

You need to go to cast boolits and read the section on lubing. You should not try to use tumble lube at high speed , it is not designed for it and wont work. There are many good stick lubes that work great for this use. My Lyman cast handbook calls for 22.5-23.5 grains of that powder with a 240 grain slug. The 1200 or so fps you are shooting may be ok for tumble lube but I would go with a stick lube. Bullet fit is more important than the lube. Are you using a gas check or plainbase design.

[Bill Steele]

Jim's advice on the importance of fit is spot on, along with the Cast Boolits site.

If you are shooting in a revolver, fit also means the throats.

Having said that, I have never had good luck shooting full house 44RM loads with plain base lead.

It can be done as Cowboy T. reports excellent results with his cast loads.

For me, if I am pushing lead hard, I use gas checked bullets.

[Derangerous]

Hm, odd since my book says it will be going faster and said more powder. I will screen shot it and post it up here to confirm data and compare data on it. So NO tumble lube. Gotcha. But no all which remains is what type of hard lube should I use? Also Guess I will be nabbin me some gas checks to be on better side. Shooting it out of my Ruger Super Redhawk.

[Derangerous]

Okay so I was looking at my book and noticed that I was looking at the 245gr SWC and it does say 22.5 - 23.5 I actually have the 245gr mold. Sorry for the confusion all. so it has 24-25 gr. Still would be using 24gr.

[koehn,jim]

At 1200 fps tumble lube may work ok if the fit is good, but put on two or better three coats.

[BACKTOSHOOTING]

Bens Red,

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?81031-Made-some-bullet-lube-today

[Derangerous]

Bens Red,
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...let-lube-today

Have you tried this lube? It work really well?

[Derangerous]

No one else?

[Abenaki]

I get my lube from this guy.

http://www.lsstuff.com/store/

I would recommend either BAC or Carnuba Red.

Make sure that your boolits are sized properly, or you will get leading no matter what you do!

If I can push my 41 mag full throttle, and not get any leading......you can do the same with your hand gun!

Take care
Abenaki

[Derangerous]

Ooo I think I am liking the Carnuba Red lube. Might have to order me up a pound or so just so I have some. Thank for the info on it! Also How do I tell if its the "proper" size? I know standard I think 44 mag is .. 4.29. What do I measure to insure proper size?

[Abenaki]

Ammo Smith explains how to measure the bore of you hand gun.

I would suggest using a brass rod. Or strong wooden dowels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR_WiL8Dkgw

Take care
Abenaki

[Abenaki]

I forgot!

It would help, if you went to the castboolits web site. And just read every thing you can.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/

I hope that this helps.
Abenaki

[Cowboy T]

Now that I have both the levergun and the revolver in .44M, I can report the results from using liquid Alox'd cast boolits in both. All my cast boolits are plain-based.

In the revolver, use a medium coat, depending on the length of your barrel. If it's the 6" or longer one, medium works best. That means the ambering is noticeable.

In the rifle, a heavier coat is best. You want enough on there so that you don't run out of lube halfway or 2/3 down that longer barrel. But the boolits shouldn't end up brown, just well-ambered.

Another thing that matters is proper sizing for your gun. My moulds drop 'em a little large, which works very well. I lube and load 'em as dropped straight from the mould without going through a sizing die. I also use softer lead, about BHN 12 or so. This allows for good obturation into the chamber and the rifling grooves at those pressures. BHN 12 is good all the way up to and including ~30,000 PSI, which is where I run my loads.