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  • WDN41
    Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 118

    New reloader with "newbie" question

    A new reloading kit (Lee 1000 Pro) is on it's way to me thanks to my thoughtful kids. Ihave been tryimg to figure what I need to get started
    and have so far acquired 1000 small pistol primers from winchester.
    I will be reloading 9mm and .380 to start.
    My question is bullets. Lead cast bullets seem to be available in my area (don't plan on handling that process by myself) at what appears to be a reasonable price, compared to copper plated factory made bullets. I'm intrerested in the pro's and con's comparing the two types

    Any other advice that you care to share would be welcome
  • #2
    poefernando
    Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 202

    Lead bullets is okay. Just hard to clean barrel after couple 100 rounds. Buy the best smokeless powder if you tend to shoot a lot of lead and a good cleaning kit for your barrel

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    • #3
      kengotit
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2012
      • 938

      also DO NOT load MAX load using lead bullets because of the lead fouling in the barrel. i usually shoot about 100 rounds depends on the fouling before cleaning my barrel, Shooters choice solvent works great cleaning lead fouling
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      • #4
        CSACANNONEER
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        • Dec 2006
        • 44093

        Depending on the load and lube, leading can occure or be a non issue. I've run 3000 rounds of .45acp through a 1911 with ZERO leading. Just changing the lube, I've had lead build up in 50 rounds though. You need to find out what works for you, in your gun, with your loads.

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        • #5
          Bill Steele
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2010
          • 5028

          Originally posted by WDN41
          A new reloading kit (Lee 1000 Pro) is on it's way to me thanks to my thoughtful kids. Ihave been tryimg to figure what I need to get started
          and have so far acquired 1000 small pistol primers from winchester.
          I will be reloading 9mm and .380 to start.
          My question is bullets. Lead cast bullets seem to be available in my area (don't plan on handling that process by myself) at what appears to be a reasonable price, compared to copper plated factory made bullets. I'm intrerested in the pro's and con's comparing the two types

          Any other advice that you care to share would be welcome
          Lead works fine.

          There are a few details when loading lead that is different than plated or jacketed. With lead bullets size matters. If you get bullets that are not fit welll to your bore, no matter what load you use, you will get leading. I you get the proper bullets for the size of your bore, you will likely get very little leading.

          As others have pointed out, even if you do get a little leading, you can clean it out really easily. I just clip a little off a copper choreboy pad, wrap it on my bore brush and viola, clean bore.

          YouTube slugging a bore for how to determine proper bullet size for your barrels.

          Good luck, have fun.
          Last edited by Bill Steele; 03-29-2013, 11:39 AM.
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          • #6
            Mtn folk
            Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 421

            Lead can be tricky to get it where it doesn't foul your barrel. Don't try it in a glock with the poly rifling. Lead should be .001 to .0015 larger than your groove diameter. You need the right BHN and psi combo to minimize fouling.
            If just starting out, I would say go jacketed first. You are going to have your hands full with that. Once you gain experience, try some lead.
            A microlon treatment in you barrel helps with fouling and cleaning. All my guns get it after break in.

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            • #7
              bruce381
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2009
              • 2452

              lead will smoke more than plated or jacketed.

              For a newbie look for plated or jacketed you will have enough to lean without trouble shooting leading, or accuracy problems.

              lead will shoot fine it MUST BE SIZED 1-2 thousands OVER THE GROVE diamieter of you guns to seal properly and reduce gas cutting/ leading from being undersied.

              A cast boolit like to be squished down as it enters the throat if not it will gas cut and lead, then accuacy goes out the window.

              Unfortunatly MOST commercial cast boolits are sized to a jacketed dia.
              and are too small, example a 45 acp jacketed is .451 cast should be .452.

              9 mm maybe jacketed at .355 or so cast should be .356.

              So lead will work but do not overwhelm yourself yet start with jacket or plated and get you machine running good and safe, then you can go to the cast side.

              bruce

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              • #8
                the86d
                Calguns Addict
                • Jul 2011
                • 9587

                Shoot lead if you want, personally I don't like my kid touching them.

                If you are worried about leadding, then make sure to clean out that barrel after every-so-many with some follow-up mags of (plated... later, or) Factory FMJ. Issue resolved.
                Last edited by the86d; 03-29-2013, 4:06 PM.

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                • #9
                  Mtn folk
                  Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 421

                  Nah, that lead exposure thing is over rated. I've been clamping split shot sinkers to my fishing line with my teeth for years and I'm ok ok ok ok ok!

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                  • #10
                    Bill Steele
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 5028

                    Originally posted by bruce381
                    lead will smoke more than plated or jacketed...bruce
                    That is a really good point.

                    One day at an indoor range I occasionally shoot at their ventilation system was slightly compromised. As it happens, I was shooting one of my lead loads that really smokes the very same time.

                    During one part I kind of sensed things had quieted down, nobody was shooting. I leaned out from the line to see why everyone had quit and everyone was looking at me. Finally one guy yelled in a kind of plaintive tone, "I can't see my target!"

                    That was an exaggeration for sure, but it kind of did look like someone was shooting black powder. Pretty dense.

                    Not a deal breaker perhaps, but something to consider.
                    When asked what qualities he most valued in his generals, Napoleon said, "give me lucky ones."

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                    • #11
                      the86d
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 9587

                      Originally posted by Bill Steele
                      That is a really good point.

                      One day at an indoor range I occasionally shoot at their ventilation system was slightly compromised. ...
                      Ventilation systems always compromise when you shoot at them...

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                      • #12
                        Bill Steele
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 5028

                        Originally posted by the86d
                        Ventilation systems always compromise when you shoot at them...
                        I have no doubt that WAS why the ventilation was so poor that day. It wasn't me though, really, no, not me, honest...
                        When asked what qualities he most valued in his generals, Napoleon said, "give me lucky ones."

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                        • #13
                          pdq_wizzard
                          Veteran Member
                          • May 2008
                          • 3813

                          I will add, I have found that in my gun .357 work best (again in my gun) Also every 9mm I have shot lead out of will start to lead the barrel if the loads are pushed much above 1100 FPS I try to keep my just under 1k fps and there is no leading.
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                          • #14
                            Bill Steele
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 5028

                            Originally posted by pdq_wizzard
                            I will add, I have found that in my gun .357 work best (again in my gun) Also every 9mm I have shot lead out of will start to lead the barrel if the loads are pushed much above 1100 FPS I try to keep my just under 1k fps and there is no leading.
                            I had Beretta 92FS that needed .358", anything smaller ID and it would lead terribly. It slugged at .357".

                            The funny thing is it was one of my most accurate 9's when shooting .355" jacketed.
                            When asked what qualities he most valued in his generals, Napoleon said, "give me lucky ones."

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                            • #15
                              WDN41
                              Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 118

                              newby questions

                              Thanks a lot for all the replies.
                              I've been noticing there are a few more newbies like me here,
                              and I am taking advantage of the free education.

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