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  • Phil3
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 2249

    Probably Not a Good Question, But...

    As a surprise, my wife and daughter are taking me to the range and joining me there to shoot, where we will use rifles and hanguns. One of the rifles is an AR-15 chambered in 223 Remington, but for which I have no ammo (and can't get any high quality stuff). I have reloading equipment, brass, bullets, and powder, but have not used it for the AR. I would surely like to have about 150 rounds of identical 223 Remington for this outing and have just one load, but at the same time, know I should work up loads, evaluate pressure signs, etc. I want to simply use a known load that will work well, but also know that just loading up something like the "Sierra accuracy load" for the AR-15 without first working up is obviously dangerous.

    I could load up a whole bunch of different loads, but it is possible some may be too light or too light giving me cycling problems or are too hot, both forcing an early end to the day. I don't mind shooting lower power loads for this outing. I am thinking of loading a few rounds (how many) starting at the low end, and increase by .2 grains until I reach around the midpoint of the average of what the manuals say, and load the rest at that level. The risk here is that the midpoint is too hot, and the majority of my ammo for the day will not be used, cutting the day short. I am not sure of the liklihood of a midpoint in the manuals being too hot for my AR-15.

    I have Vhitavouri N133 and Hodgon H322 powder. Bullets are Sierra 53 grain flat base bullets used in a 1:9 twist 22" long Krieger barrel chambered in 223 Remington. These are the loads I was considering, with a plan to load the majority of rounds at the higher value. Again, the worry is, these may be too hot. What do you think? My hottest loads is in bold.

    My proposed loads of Vhitavouri N133: 22.4 up to 23.8
    This is from low end of Sierra AR-15 (22.3 to 24.1 max) and Berger's (22.0 to 24.4 max) recommendations, and lower than what Vhitavouri (22.5 to 25.0 max) says.

    My proposed loads of Hodgon H322: 21.6 up to 23.0
    This is from the low end of what Lee (21.5 to 23.5 max) and Hodgdon (21.5 to 23.5 max) say, but well below what Sierra says with the AR-15 (23.1 to 25.2 max). This big variance concerns me.

    Any best approaches to how many rounds needed to reliably evaluate for pressure are welcome. I don't mind having plenty of loads at the lower end. This is just a fun shoot.

    Phil
  • #2
    joelogic
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2008
    • 6593

    TL;DR

    YMMV, but at Max I have never seen signs of over pressure. Reloading companies err on the side of caution.
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    • #3
      sdkevin
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2013
      • 2248

      I start at the mid point, just sayn' I hate wasting range time but keep it moderate for the family outing, save the workups for when you can be more detail oriented and not in a rush.

      I just used this trick for load data on Barnes TSX.. call the mfgr/s.
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      • #4
        mjmagee67
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2011
        • 2771

        I've given up on Max loads for everything I shoot. I've found that 95% of the middle of the road loads I try will cycle a MSR just fine. I would go 23gr N133 or 22.5gr H322 (based on the info you provided) I would bet dollars to donuts these will cycle just fine, won't bounce off the paper, and be plenty accurate.
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        • #5
          bruce381
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 2452

          go in the middle you will be fine for novice shooters supper accurate is not needed just the fun factor

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          • #6
            mark501w
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 1699

            Hodgdon's Basic Data Manual sez 23grs.of H-322 as a max. I use 22grs. of H-322 with 68's & 69's.

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