FTX reloading question

[Derangerous]

After my first post, I posted in the wrong place. So I am posting here about my question. I got some FTX bullets 225grn 44 mag. I have H-110 powder and I been trying to look for reloading data for it, but sadly I havnt found nothing! I need your help giving min to max grains. Im shooting a ruger Super redhawk.

[Bill Steele]

I posted what you need in the other thread.

[Derangerous]

Ive decided to post the same question here and see if any other people may know more about this situation here. Why is it so important to trim the case to 1.255? I know the FTX bullet does seat Deeper into the case. I will trim the cases to such, but I am wondering why im I trimming them to those specs? Does it have to do with over pressure on the case if they aren't trimmed?

[Derangerous]

No one else to help me out?

[CCrawford]

Trimming the case puts the cannelure and the end of the brass at the same length for the crimp to meet COAL. In a heavy revolver load, especially with H110/W296, bullet movement is a bad thing (sorry Martha). The FTX bullets are longer due to the flex tip and long forward cone then other flat meplat handgun bullets or the cannelure is farther back, whichever way you want to look at it.

Criss

[Derangerous]

I do understand that, but if it was being put into a revolver under their specs of min - max grains of H-110. I Decided to make a few dummy rounds. I have one standard XTP dummy round, one FTX non case trimmed dummy, and of course FTX trimmed case dummy. And looking loading them into the cylinder And notice little to no difference in how far they stickup in there. All three dont stick out of the cylinder and close with ease. The thing I am wondering is, if I use their powder min - max loud specs for the FTX round and use a non trimmed case for it, will it cause to much overall pressure in the case? Cause the FTX round is devolved for tubular magazines, lever actions rifles. So of course trimming the case there makes sense. But should it matter in a revolver given that the rounds dont actually move? Guess that is my real question.

[CCrawford]

The Nosler and Berger reloading manuals go into bullet seating depths and theory well. I would look to those publications for further information on this topic. If the longer COAL fits in your SRH, then you would not have to trim cases. Your pressure should be very slightly lower due to greater volume within the brass. .429" Dia x .020-.030" empty addition case length.

It is required that you crimp the bullet in the cannelure for things to go repeatedly well, especially at the higher end of the scale. Bullets can move back and fourth due to recoil in revolvers and it is not recommended that you try that. Remember to label the crap out of your reloads, add a note, sticker, whatever, so others cleaning up your estate know that these are out of spec. .44 Mag reloads to be fired in the SRH only.

You're correct that the different applications (Marlin rifles, Desert Eagle Pistols, etc.) require adherence to the SAAMI published COAL where your revolver's cylinder appears long enough.

The rounds you make will not be able to be used in other firearms the require correct COAL without further research. This includes single feeding in anything that has rifling near the end of the cut chamber. The bullet may rest on the lands if it has a minimum throat and that could spike pressure as well, or the round may chamber but the action may not close as designed, or the bullet gets driven further back into the case upon closing. In the revolver of course, you have a gap and forcing cone, contenders, rifles etc. do not have that.

As always, be careful. Remember H110/W296 does not like low density loadings, and you make want to start 0.2 or so above minimum published load to keep the density up.

Hornady put all the warning so everyone will be able to use their product in any firearm made to SAAMI specification. If you want to deviate from their published loads, fine, remember who made that decision if it does not go well.

Pretend I put a bunch of disclaimers here, it is the internet after all . And I'll add that this advice is worth what you paid for it. Rule #1 - Do not blow yourself up.

Criss

[Derangerous]

Ah, thats much more what I was searching for. Guess I have a bit more research I will have to do in that department. I always make sure to label my reloads in detail. Just in case things happen. xD As well Ya H-110 doesnt like low density loads, tis why I usually use a pretty fair load with the XTP bullets, but these are new, thought I give them a try. And dont worry. You wont be held accountable for anything Haha. Its your opinion not a fact. Again though thank you very much for your information! <3

[M27]

Tagging to fallow along. Also to the op, I will send you some load data I have on them when I get home.

[Derangerous]

That would be much appreciated if you could do that for me M27.

[Derangerous]

Thought I would post an update. I had loaded up 50 rounds of these bullets, admittedly they look pretty damn spiffy with those soft red cons on them. haha. Anyways. I went to the range and shot a few. Seem pretty damn accurate at 50 yards. Able to get around 2-3 inch groupings while standing. Oddly enough I am way less accurate sitting and braced. Ah well. The load was obviously less then the XTP I normally shoot. which I shoot around 24gr of H110. So a noticeable less amount of recoil shooting. As for the cases themselves they held up just fine without trim in my revolver. No case splits or heavy bulging, thank god, and they extracted out of the cylinder well. Thank you all for helping me out with this enigma!

[Munk]

Thought I would post an update. I had loaded up 50 rounds of these bullets, admittedly they look pretty damn spiffy with those soft red cons on them. haha. Anyways. I went to the range and shot a few. Seem pretty damn accurate at 50 yards. Able to get around 2-3 inch groupings while standing. Oddly enough I am way less accurate sitting and braced. Ah well. The load was obviously less then the XTP I normally shoot. which I shoot around 24gr of H110. So a noticeable less amount of recoil shooting. As for the cases themselves they held up just fine without trim in my revolver. No case splits or heavy bulging, thank god, and they extracted out of the cylinder well. Thank you all for helping me out with this enigma!

The reason they suggest the trimming is not because of bulging or splitting.

It's so that the casemouth can properly bite the cannelure, which is a bit farther down on an FTX than something like an XTP. With a heavy-recoil revolver, it's usually a great idea to make use of the cannelure because the recoil may cause the bullets in your other cylinders to shift within their cases. If you have sufficient case tension against the bullet, this is usually a non-issue.

To test this, use your calipers to measure the length of an unfired, untrimmed round. Then mark load it up with your others in your revolver. Fire all rounds except that one round. (Marking it may help for identification). Next, you measure the length and see if it shifted. No shift = no problem.

Hornady has the same shorter-case advice for .30-30 FTX loads. I tried loading them without shortening the case (though I did seat them a little long). I see zero setback, and this is in a tube-fed lever-action, so I'm changing nothing.