**need data please help**

[milsurpshooter]

does any one have data for 125gr speer tnt, for the 30-06. thanks

[What Just Happened?]

Check at www.handloads.com

[milsurpshooter]

thanks but i didn't find anything useful there.

[NRAhighpowershooter]

45.0gr H4895, CCI200 primer, LC brass. OAL will depend on what 30-06 you are shooting it out of..For a Garand.. try 3.20" that may be too short.. I'll have to see where I put my 125TNT loads at in 'The Bunker" and measure them.

[rksimple]

http://reloadersnest.com/query_bw.asp?CaliberID=58&BulletWeight=125

You could always check on the powder manufacturers website. What powder are you using?

[milsurpshooter]

45.0gr H4895, CCI200 primer, LC brass. OAL will depend on what 30-06 you are shooting it out of..For a Garand.. try 3.20" that may be too short.. I'll have to see where I put my 125TNT loads at in 'The Bunker" and measure them.

well i have a weatherby vangard in 30-06 so i have a little play in the chamber, i mean for seating depths and all that. but that sounds like a good load. i'm hoping to get out and cap some coyote this year.

[ar15barrels]

Buy yourself a copy of Quickload.
It will generate predictions like this:

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.
Bullet             : .308, 125, Speer HP TNT 1986
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.100 inch or 78.74 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 55000 psi, or 379 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

68 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
IMR 4895                            98.3     55.2     3.58    3232    99.4    55000   11221   1.018  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                            96.2     52.8     3.42    3225   100.0    55000   10562   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                      90.6     56.0     3.63    3218    99.6    55000   11171   1.035  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                          98.8     56.7     3.68    3211    98.2    55000   11548   1.043  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                  98.3     56.4     3.66    3209    97.7    55000   11558   1.043  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7                    98.2     60.4     3.91    3200    97.8    55000   11602   1.042  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2520                    92.4     56.5     3.66    3193    99.9    55000   10924   1.054  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                            97.0     56.6     3.67    3193    98.0    55000   11161   1.027  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       91.4     57.0     3.70    3192    99.1    55000   11256   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  100.0     59.3     3.84    3191    97.7    52559   11735   1.051  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2495                   97.1     53.3     3.46    3189   100.0    55000   10427   1.076  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                        88.1     55.0     3.56    3181    99.8    55000   10767   1.040  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                    95.6     56.6     3.67    3180    98.1    55000   11190   1.040  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC                         91.4     55.1     3.57    3179    99.2    55000   10936   1.041  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150                     99.1     56.3     3.65    3178   100.0    55000   10382   1.045  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                        88.6     50.8     3.29    3172   100.0    55000   10126   1.035  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202                           95.5     53.9     3.50    3171   100.0    55000   10518   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   85.7     52.5     3.40    3170   100.0    55000   10440   1.043  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                           95.5     54.0     3.50    3160    99.1    55000   10783   1.056  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator                86.5     51.6     3.34    3159   100.0    55000   10159   1.044  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                            97.8     54.9     3.56    3158    97.7    55000   10836   1.040  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                      95.1     54.9     3.56    3157    98.2    55000   10832   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135                     99.0     54.3     3.52    3153   100.0    55000    9905   1.050  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2460                    90.8     55.0     3.56    3150    99.6    55000   10550   1.061  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 4064                  100.0     55.5     3.60    3144   100.0    51747   10844   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140                     97.6     54.9     3.56    3143   100.0    55000   10136   1.045  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        98.6     60.9     3.95    3140    89.9    55000   11542   1.048  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2230                    88.3     54.0     3.50    3139    99.5    55000   10352   1.056  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    100.0     59.9     3.88    3133    95.3    49253   11921   1.089
Alliant Reloder-12                  90.9     53.2     3.45    3132   100.0    55000    9909   1.043  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x                 83.7     48.0     3.11    3130   100.0    55000    9418   1.052  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540                     96.1     57.5     3.73    3125    98.2    55000   10801   1.049  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     100.0     60.5     3.92    3123    92.0    49216   11888   1.083
Accurate 2200                       80.9     49.0     3.17    3121    99.8    55000    9816   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                   91.3     51.8     3.36    3118    99.5    55000   10065   1.044  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2015                   93.4     50.1     3.25    3115   100.0    55000    9406   1.059  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame                    100.0     57.7     3.74    3112    96.8    48414   11443   1.090
Norma 200                           83.2     47.7     3.09    3105   100.0    55000    9174   1.068  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                       94.1     53.5     3.46    3097    98.3    55000   10098   1.041  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198                            85.4     45.3     2.94    3087   100.0    55000    8681   1.033  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133                     92.8     51.0     3.30    3087   100.0    55000    9114   1.045  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      100.0     56.2     3.64    3084    97.8    48056   11154   1.118
Hodgdon H4198                       86.6     45.9     2.98    3081   100.0    55000    9015   1.034  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130                     88.2     49.0     3.18    3073   100.0    55000    8922   1.052  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2700                    99.5     60.2     3.90    3070    92.4    55000   10527   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     100.0     61.2     3.96    3050    91.8    45710   11695   1.118
Hodgdon H380                       100.0     59.3     3.84    3030    90.0    47579   11218   1.118
IMR 4227                            80.8     41.7     2.70    3021   100.0    55000    7993   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120                     82.9     45.0     2.92    3017   100.0    55000    8011   1.056  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           100.0     56.8     3.68    2979    90.2    43113   11013   1.146
Accurate XMR 4350                  100.0     57.4     3.72    2953    92.7    40417   11214   1.197
Norma 204                          100.0     58.7     3.80    2905    85.5    41879   10648   1.165
Hodgdon H4350                      100.0     58.0     3.76    2885    84.2    41816   10424   1.165
IMR 4831                           100.0     57.2     3.71    2856    90.3    37402   10642   1.233

Heed the warnings!

[ccampbell]

Nice data A15barrels, where do you buy quickloads?

In my Garand I shoot 125g tnt with 48g IMR4895 (LakeCity brass) seated to 3.28 OAL using CCI#34 primers.

[ar15barrels]

where do you buy quickloads?

http://www.neconos.com/details3.htm

[scrat]

(FN=Flat Nose, SP= Spire Point,
HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose)
JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point, FMJ=Full Metal Jacket)


Loads for .30-06 Rifle:


(Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.)
(See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.)
Bullet is .308" diameter. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up.


----------------------------------------
100 grain Plinker (Cup Jacket with lead nose)
IMR 4895 56.0 gr. 3,276 FPS
IMR 3031 48.0 gr. 3,017
Reloader 11 50.0 gr. 3,154
2400 31.0 gr. 2,825
-----------------------------------------
110 grain JSP (Hornady Jacketed Spire Point)
IMR 4895 54.5 gr. 3,265 FPS
H4895 54.0 gr. 3,343
IMR 3031 56.0 gr. 3,365
Reloader 7 45.0 gr. 3,145
Reloader 15 58.6 gr. 3,465
2400 30.9 gr. 2,715
H380 58.0 gr. 3,311
A2230 57.0 gr. 3,385
A2460 58.5 gr. 3,421
748 52.7 gr. 3,230
760 59.0 gr. 3,210
-----------------------------------------
125 grain JSP (Sierra Spitzer Point)
IMR 4895 53.0 gr. 3,176 FPS
H4895 53.0 gr. 3,176
Reloader 7 42.0 gr. 2,915
Reloader 15 56.8 gr. 3,275
2400 30.0 gr. 2,575
H380 56.0 gr. 3,151
A2230 53.3 gr. 3,172
A2460 53.5 gr. 3,125
748 51.0 gr. 3,060
760 57.8 gr. 3,125
-----------------------------------------
150 grain JSP (Spitzer or Spire Point)
IMR 4895 49.5 gr. 2,845 FPS
IMR 4895 48.5 gr. 2,731 (in bolt action rifle)
(Hi=2791, Lo=2628, ES 162.9 fps)
H4895 49.0 gr. 2,932
IMR 3031 49.5 gr. 2,850
2400 29.4 gr. 2,330
Reloader 7 43.8 gr. 2,780
Reloader 15 53.6 gr. 3,005
H380 54.0 gr. 2,921
A2230 49.4 gr. 2,865
A2460 49.5 gr. 2,862
748 48.0 gr. 2,810
760 54.0 gr. 2,900
-----------------------------------------
165 grain JSP (Spitzer or Spire Point)
IMR 4895 46.5 gr. ----- FPS
H4895 48.0 gr. 2,932
IMR 3031 47.0 gr. -----
2400 29.2 gr. 2,295
Reloader 7 40.5 gr. 2,610
Reloader 15 50.5 gr. 2,835
H380 52.0 gr. 2,792
A2230 46.0 gr. 2,663
A2460 46.7 gr. 2,659
-----------------------------------------
170 grain (use amounts for 165 gr. bullet)
-----------------------------------------
180 grain JSP (Spitzer or Spire Point) or JRN
IMR 4895 43.5 gr. 2,520 FPS
H4895 44.0 gr. 2,600
IMR 3031 44.5 gr. 2,540
2400 28.2 gr. 2,210
Reloader 7 39.8 gr. 2,505
Reloader 15 48.5 gr. 2,720
H380 51.0 gr. 2,702
A2230 44.0 gr. 2,568
A2460 45.8 gr. 2,563
748 45.0 gr. 2,540
760 53.0 gr. 2,725
-----------------------------------------
200 grain JSP (Spitzer or Spire Point) or JRN
IMR 4895 43.0 gr. 2,445 FPS
H4895 43.0 gr. -----
IMR 3031 44.5 gr. 2,450
Reloader 12 44.8 gr. 2,440
Reloader 15 46.0 gr. 2,505
A2230 43.5 gr. 2,386
A2460 44.5 gr. 2,429
WMR 55.7 gr. 2,435
760 49.0 gr. 2,470
-----------------------------------------
220 grain JSP (Spitzer or Spire Point) or JRN
IMR 4895 40.5 gr. 2,230 FPS
H450* 57.0 gr. 2,423
IMR 3031 42.5 gr. 2,300
A2230 42.5 gr. 2,248
A2460 43.0 gr. 2,268
WMR 55.7 gr. 2,380
760 49.0 gr. 2,370
* use magnum primers
-----------------------------------------


Discussion: IMR 3031 is a faster burning powder than IMR 4895, so you use less of it for similar volocities. I have listed powders of Hodgdon, Alliant and Accurate also. Use which ever you have handy. Slow burning powders generally work better in longer barrels and heavier bullets. 30-06 Cases will stretch, especially with hot loads, and you definitely need to check each in a case length guage and trim off excess brass. Of course, discard any cases that show a split anywhere on the case. For hunting at long distances with an unobstructed view, you should choose the spire point with a soft lead tip. For hunting at shorter ranges in brush, as is common in the woods of Alabama, you should choose a round nose bullet. They are less easily deflected and/or deformed by brush that you may be shooting through. The flat nose bullet is used especially in tubular fed magazines to prevent pressure on the primer in the cartridge above it.
There are a number of other high performance bullets on the market. The "boattail" is a very good long range target match bullet. It has very good wind performance. If you are shooting for precision, you should weight each powder charge and put exactly the same amount in each case. Each case should be exactly on specs and the bullet should not be crimped into the case. (These bullets don't normally have a crimp ring anyhow)

There is still much military ammo on the market, including the red tipped "Tracer" round. There is a blob of red phosphor on the back end of the bullet that burns. You can see the red dot heading for the target. A caution: clean the bore of the gun very good after firing tracer rounds in it.
Another military round is the armor piercing (black tipped) round. It has a hardened steel core inside the copper jacket, and it will penetrate an engine block or moderately heavy steel. If you can find an old junk car somewhere, it's interesting to see just what parts of the car it will penetrate, and how far it will go.

[milsurpshooter]

dude scrat you are freakin awsome. thanks a bunch.

[ar15barrels]

dude scat you are freakin awsome. thanks a bunch.

You really liked his data better than mine?
My predictions covers your specific bullet seated to a realistic length.

[milsurpshooter]

ar15barrels you are freakin awsome too. your data is great but a little confusing. i'm somewhat of a noobie to reloading. but i will review both sets of data. my brother is really good at reloading and said you had great data. i just need to learn a little more about reloading to understand it. but dont worry there's enough love to go around.

[ar15barrels]

ar15barrels you are freakin awsome too. your data is great but a little confusing. i'm somewhat of a noobie to reloading. but i will review both sets of data. my brother is really good at reloading and said you had great data. i just need to learn a little more about reloading to understand it. but dont worry there's enough love to go around.

Quickload has a lot of good info if you know what to look at.
The data is sorted by velocity.
When I choose a powder, I look closely at the percentage of case filling and how much gets burned.
The closer you get to 100% on these two, the better chance of accurate ammo.
Obviously the velocity is important too, but there will usually be a couple powders that look like the best options.
Those are the ones to try first.

[milsurpshooter]

wow there it is there. thats all those % meant. well the good news i understand your data now. thanks a bunch dude.