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  • mud99
    • Oct 2011
    • 1075

    Just finished reloading my first 100 rounds

    So, I just finished reloading my first batch of ammo - 100 rounds of 45 ACP with 230GR Oregon Trail cast bullets and 4.0 grains of Bullseye.

    Total time = 2 days

    The first evening I spent assembling the press, a Hornady LNL AP with case feeder.

    I like this press a lot - it has a lot of good features, but it also has a few problems.

    First off, the case feeder will not feed 45ACP correctly - even with the shortest V-block, and the adjustment rod at it's lowest setting, the case feeds in too early, causing the case to get wedged against the shell plate and jam.

    I solved this problem by grinding away the right corner on each station of the shell plate to a 45 degree angle. I had to grind away quite a bit of material,
    but now it feeds perfectly, probably smoother than the factory intended.

    The spent primer drop tube is too small, it easily jams with large pistol primers. I removed it and all is well.

    The instructions say to degrease the powder measure with hornady one shot - great, however I do not own any, and did not know when I placed my order that I should have purchased some.

    So, I disassembled it and used brake clean on the powder measure. It worked well, and I wiped everything clean afterwards so their should be no residue

    However, later I noticed that the brake clean had melted the plastic powder tube a bit. It still works, but looks ugly, so I will have to order a new one from hornady.

    After assembly, I began to setup my dies. I purchased the 4 piece lee carbide die set, with an RCBS lockout die.

    First thing I noticed - the lee PTX will not work with the hornady powder drop, completely different design. No problem, just means that I won't have an extra station for the RCBS lockout die.

    So I set up my stations with: Deprimer, Expander, Powder Drop, Bullet Seater, Factory Crimp Die

    After going through the adjustments, I began to make my first set of rounds.

    I quickly cranked out 100 rounds, but felt so unsure about them, that I ended up pulling the whole lot with a bullet puller and redoing them.

    The primary reason I pulled them, was that I didn't realize at first that if I inadvertently cycled the press near the top of the stroke without indexing, that I could potentially throw a double charge in a case.

    I probably didn't throw a double charge, but since I wasn't paying attention to whether I had done this, I felt it wasn't worth the risk to chance it.

    I also decided that the process of doing all steps from depriming to crimping at once was more steps than my brain could handle, and in addition, since all my stations were filled, I couldn't use the RCBS lockout die, which I now believe is an absolutely essential device.

    On to round 2.

    Looking at my pile of brass, I came up with a new idea - instead of loading all my rounds in one continuous sequence, why don't I prime and size all of them ahead of time for later use? That way when I decide to load them later, the process will be much quicker.

    So, I removed station 3,4,5, and then primed and expanded all 500 cases, and stored them in my case containers.

    I then setup the press with nothing in 1, powder measure in 2, lockout die in 3, bullet seater in 4, crimper in 5.

    Because of the new simpler process, I was able to quickly and confidently crank out 100 rounds in no time at all. I have no concern that any of these are empty or double charges.

    I firmly believe this will be the best process for me - when I am low on pre-primed shells, I will sort, clean, inspect, prime and size my cases in one process and set aside.

    On the days when I decide to go to the range, I can quickly pop into the garage, pick my load and bullets for the day, and within 30 minutes crank out 200-300 rounds.

    No messing with primers, and because I am sizing less rounds at once, I am also able to better feel what the press is doing at each step.

    Based on my way of doing things, I don't think this would be as easy on a dillon - with the hornady bushings I can move stations around very quickly, and that suits my process well.

    Overall I am very happy with the LNL despite a few flaws. For my workflow, I think the LNL worked out better than the 550 or 650, and I am now completely addicted to reloading

    Mark
  • #2
    XDRoX
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 4420

    Welcome to the club. And congrats on the new press.
    Chris
    <----Rimfire Addict


    Originally posted by Oceanbob
    Get a DILLON...

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    • #3
      Dark Mod
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 4284

      Congrats! welcome to reloading. Although once you get a a few thousand rounds under your belt your going to just buy a new PTX die so you can reap the true benefits of a progressive.

      Another Suggestion i have is to just toss the facotry crimp die, crimp is not really needed, and the FCD applies a taper crimp, when the bullet seating die already applies a roll crimp. Roll crimps are more secure and it will free up a station for the lockout die.

      Or you can toss the factory crimp die AND buy a working PTX die so you can make a $28 bullet feeder and really crank those suckers out

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      • #4
        Clownpuncher
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2011
        • 1176

        I do something similiar to what you came up with. Go ahead and flame away because my process involves tumbling twice.

        Basically, I tumble for a short time in plain corn to knock the crap off and save wear and tear on my decap/resize die. I then decap/size on my single stage (and bulge bust my 40 S&W) and re tumble in media with polish.
        On my AP, I have a universal decapper in sta 1 (knocks out any media from the flash hole), 1.5 prime, 2 is powder drop with a PTX expander. The PTX's are well worth the $8. I know its an extra expense and I don't use my lee expander on the LnL but the process works for me. Besides, I still use my Lee expander on my single stage if I'm developing loads with limited production numbers. Anyway, station 3 is the lockout, 4 seater, 5 crimper.
        I also bought a couple more primer pick up tubes so I just load up the press with primers, and then I load up 3 tubes and that will give me 400 primers without much interruption.
        Have fun with the press and good luck.
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        • #5
          UNKNOWN SOLDIER
          Junior Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 34

          I feel the same way about my LNL, a great buy IMO. I think I'm going to pull all of my loaded 45ACP rounds too just because I want to make sure I didn't screw up.

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          • #6
            Bill Steele
            Calguns Addict
            • Sep 2010
            • 5028

            Originally posted by markdoddridge
            ...Another Suggestion i have is to just toss the facotry crimp die, crimp is not really needed, and the FCD applies a taper crimp, when the bullet seating die already applies a roll crimp. Roll crimps are more secure and it will free up a station for the lockout die...
            You do not want a roll crimp with .45 ACP and the .45 ACP bullet seater die will not put a roll crimp on the case. .45 ACP head spaces on the case mouth, hence the taper crimp, whether you use the bullet seating die to crimp or a separate crimp die.
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            • #7
              Rotting
              Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 338

              Originally posted by mud99
              First off, the case feeder will not feed 45ACP correctly - even with the shortest V-block, and the adjustment rod at it's lowest setting, the case feeds in too early, causing the case to get wedged against the shell plate and jam.

              I solved this problem by grinding away the right corner on each station of the shell plate to a 45 degree angle. I had to grind away quite a bit of material,
              but now it feeds perfectly, probably smoother than the factory intended.
              What's done is done, I guess, but my case feeder feeds 45ACP beautifully and (unless your press or shellplate is substantially flawed) I'd bet that yours can too. When I get home, I'll look at my notes, then tell you which case feeding wedge I use. You needed to micro-adjust your pawls to correct the timing to solve the issue of the case feeding too early.

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              • #8
                Endofcomment
                Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 411

                I use hornadys PTX for their powder measure. I like using my FCD as I use a redding comp seating die which doesn't crimp. On straight walled pistol cases you can't roll crimp because they headspace on the case mouth.

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                • #9
                  mud99
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 1075

                  LOL, would have been good to know I could adjust it before I fired up the grinder....

                  Anyway, I figured the shell plates were replacable even if I screwed up.

                  I think wedge 4 is the right one, but 3 worked better for me with this particular setup.

                  I don't think my change negates the need to time it properly, it will probably work even better if the timing is adjusted. It just makes the timing less important.

                  As is I think I only had 1 or 2 misfeeds in 500 rounds, and these were caused by the shell hitting a small burr on the groove where the spring runs in - I rounded the edge with a file, so we'll see if that happens again.

                  The next thing I want to do is drill a hole through the primer slide, so that I can lock the primer feed closed when i'm not using it during step 2 of my process, or moving the press - i'd rather not have primers spilling out if I decide I don't want to empty the tube.

                  Also, I think I might mount a soda can under my press so the primers will drop right into that instead of needing the tube - a soda can should hold a lot of primers.

                  Mark

                  Originally posted by Rotting
                  What's done is done, I guess, but my case feeder feeds 45ACP beautifully and (unless your press or shellplate is substantially flawed) I'd bet that yours can too. When I get home, I'll look at my notes, then tell you which case feeding wedge I use. You needed to micro-adjust your pawls to correct the timing to solve the issue of the case feeding too early.

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                  • #10
                    Fyathyrio
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 1082

                    The case feed issue may be that your case feed timing is off and the case getting to the shell plate to soon. It's a simple adjustment of the cam wire to correct usually, and this setting shouldn't have to be messed with once set correctly. From your description, it seems the cam wire should be moved down to slow the case arriving at the shell plate.

                    Take a look at the cam wire on the case feed and see if it's rubbing against the baseplate groove or the case feed slider, this can push the baseplate to the side slightly and cause the case feed issues you are seeing. When this occurs the primer shuttle doesn't follow it's wire guide either and it may cause the primer shuttle to extend to far to the rear and also jam up the primer system. My cam wire got bent slightly when I moved and caused this.

                    Powderfunnels.com makes a universal expander that works great and is designed for the Hornady powder drop. This will open up the spot for the RCBS powder check.
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                    • #11
                      Clownpuncher
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 1176

                      Originally posted by mud99

                      The next thing I want to do is drill a hole through the primer slide, so that I can lock the primer feed closed when i'm not using it during step 2 of my process, or moving the press - i'd rather not have primers spilling out if I decide I don't want to empty the tube.



                      Mark
                      Unless I am mis-understanding what you are trying to do, you shouldn't need a drill to keep the primer slide from moving. Just disconnect the spring. It will slide back when you raise the press but won't come forward on the down stroke and deliver a primer, it will just stay stuck back. That way if you are putting already primed cases on it won't deliver a primer and you can keep them in the primer tube.
                      In addition to taking the spring off to deactivate the slide you can take the primer press lug off. That way if you push forward on the arm you won't send the plug up into your already primed case, not that I really think it would matter.
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                      • #12
                        mud99
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 1075

                        I already messed with the cam wire, it is adjusted all the way down, and if it weren't for the indexing the alignment would be perfect.

                        I think I need to adjust the pawls, I didn't know I could do this until now, I was too busy bubbaing the shell plate to read the manual thoroughly...

                        I ordered the powderfunnel a few days ago - when it arrives hopefully it will free up a station.

                        Mark

                        Originally posted by Fyathyrio
                        The case feed issue may be that your case feed timing is off and the case getting to the shell plate to soon. It's a simple adjustment of the cam wire to correct usually, and this setting shouldn't have to be messed with once set correctly. From your description, it seems the cam wire should be moved down to slow the case arriving at the shell plate.

                        Take a look at the cam wire on the case feed and see if it's rubbing against the baseplate groove or the case feed slider, this can push the baseplate to the side slightly and cause the case feed issues you are seeing. When this occurs the primer shuttle doesn't follow it's wire guide either and it may cause the primer shuttle to extend to far to the rear and also jam up the primer system. My cam wire got bent slightly when I moved and caused this.

                        Powderfunnels.com makes a universal expander that works great and is designed for the Hornady powder drop. This will open up the spot for the RCBS powder check.

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                        • #13
                          1in9twist
                          Member
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 203

                          Originally posted by Fyathyrio
                          The case feed issue may be that your case feed timing is off and the case getting to the shell plate to soon. It's a simple adjustment of the cam wire to correct usually, and this setting shouldn't have to be messed with once set correctly. From your description, it seems the cam wire should be moved down to slow the case arriving at the shell plate.
                          He's on the right track.

                          I had the same problem. A slight pawl adjustment. And I don't recall which caliber it was, but I had to run a die up the threads of the wire to add about 1\4 of additional thread,(So I could run the wire down farther.) then it worked perfectly.
                          1in9twist


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                          • #14
                            froman118
                            Member
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 155

                            I had a very similar experience getting into reloading except I started with .30-06 for my M1. My first time loading I tried doing everything at once and it was not happiness. I've settled into a routine similar to yours with 2 different sessions on the press: deprime/full length size then trim/chamfer/debur/tumble and then prime/powder/bullet. Really happy with the LnL so far.

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                            • #15
                              Fyathyrio
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 1082

                              Originally posted by mud99
                              I already messed with the cam wire, it is adjusted all the way down, and if it weren't for the indexing the alignment would be perfect.

                              I think I need to adjust the pawls, I didn't know I could do this until now, I was too busy bubbaing the shell plate to read the manual thoroughly...

                              I ordered the powderfunnel a few days ago - when it arrives hopefully it will free up a station.

                              Mark
                              Give Hornady a call when you mess with the pawls and they will walk you through it on the phone...much less frustration and trial and error that way. It's easy to do but sensitive to small changes.

                              When testing your adjustments, move the press handle at or close to your normal operating speed, going real fast or slow will sometimes cause the shell plate indexing to not catch the detents in the same fashion as when loading.
                              "Everything I ever learned about leadership, I learned from a Chief Petty Officer." - John McCain
                              "Use your hammer, not your mouth, jackass!" - Mike Ditka
                              There has never been a shortage of people eager to draw up blueprints for running other people's lives. - Thomas Sowell
                              Originally posted by James Earl Jones
                              The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose.

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