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  • iareConfusE
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 4464

    Trim .38spl/.357mag Brass?

    How many of you trim your .357mag brass? I was at the range today and spoke to a kind older gentleman who told me that he never trims his .357 brass, and has never had a problem with any of his own reloads. For the record, I don't trim my 9mm or .45ACP brass. I just toss it if it looks warped and cracked.

    I'm fairly OCD, and I like things to be pretty close to perfect, but I do know how much of a PITA trimming brass can be, so I wanted to know if its 100% absolutely necessary, or how many, if any, of you guys trim?
  • #2
    Bill Steele
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2010
    • 5028

    Nope

    I don't trim either my .357's or .44's. I get what looks like a very consistent crimp (using a LFCD) and very good accuracy out of both of them.

    I think if I was shooting in competition, I would probably trim them, even with the crimp die, to assure I was getting the same exact crimp and similar pressures each and every time.
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    • #3
      GSwain
      Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 480

      If i buy once fired, ill trim it before i load it. The only time you are going to need to trim is if you are running full house loads, as itll stretch the brass. I just run it through my zip trim if it is new or once fired new to me, doesnt take long. Dont worry about it after that.

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      • #4
        iareConfusE
        Veteran Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 4464

        I just remembered that the .357mag cartridge doesn't headspace off of the case mouth like my 9mm and .45ACP do. So logically, trimming it won't do much good except keep a certain level of consistency. Since these are just for range plinking, I suppose I won't even bother trimming.

        Thanks for the replies.

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        • #5
          TMC
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2005
          • 2348

          There's no need to trim. Most straight wall pistol brass will actually get shorter as you reload because it doesn't stretch like rifle brass when fired and it gets compressed when resized especially if you don't use case lube.
          where are my pistol mags?

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          • #6
            Cowboy T
            Calguns Addict
            • Mar 2010
            • 5725

            On my .38 Spl and .357M cases, they start splitting, usually at the mouth, long before they ever get too long. I don't bother trimming those.

            Now, .454 Casull will stretch. But remember, that's a 50,000+ PSI cartridge. Also, if you're running your .357 Magnum cases at the original Elmer specs (45,000 CUP, about 41,000 PSI), they might stretch a bit.

            Since I tend to run my Magnums at around 30,000 PSI, and my .38 Spl's and SAAMI-friendly .45 Colts at about 14,000, my brass lasts quite a while.
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            • #7
              XDRoX
              Veteran Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 4420

              Trimming's for the birds.
              Chris
              <----Rimfire Addict


              Originally posted by Oceanbob
              Get a DILLON...

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              • #8
                LGB Loader
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2008
                • 727

                I was taught in '83 to trim my magnum revolver brass for a consistant crimp. My 38 spcl loads (in 357 mag brass) get trimmed once ever 5-7 firings for the same reason.

                Pistol brass...I dont trim it.

                LGB
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                • #9
                  GSwain
                  Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 480

                  Originally posted by LGB Loader
                  I was taught in '83 to trim my magnum revolver brass for a consistant crimp. My 38 spcl loads (in 357 mag brass) get trimmed once ever 5-7 firings for the same reason.

                  Pistol brass...I dont trim it.

                  LGB
                  This is the only reason I trim it if its new or new to me, I like consistent ammo

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                  • #10
                    GeoffLinder
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 2425

                    Originally posted by TMC
                    There's no need to trim. Most straight wall pistol brass will actually get shorter as you reload because it doesn't stretch like rifle brass when fired and it gets compressed when resized especially if you don't use case lube.
                    +1, no need to trim straight wall pistol cases

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                    • #11
                      Fishslayer
                      In Memoriam
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 13035

                      No need to trim any handgun ammo that headspaces on the mouth.

                      Trimming will enable more consistent crimp in roll crimped ammo like .357 or .44 magnums.

                      No real need to roll crimp .38SP. The reason for the crimp in magnums is to keep the bullet from moving under recoil and help slow powders develop pressure for efficient combustion.
                      Last edited by Fishslayer; 04-16-2011, 2:14 PM.
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                      • #12
                        ireload
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 2589

                        I trim mine once and use it till it splits. I like uniformity and consistency. Most of the time I do not load full bore loads.

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                        • #13
                          Revoman
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 2393

                          I also trim. I use 38's in a Model 52 semi-auto and it helps a lot with feeding. I also use these same loads in a 686 and I like the consistency with the crimps. I believe that it's just that much more accurate.
                          I reload not only to save money, but make as accurate a round as I can make. Is it a hassle, yup, is it worth it to me, definitely.

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                          • #14
                            J-cat
                            Calguns Addict
                            • May 2005
                            • 6626

                            Trimming promotes a more consistent crimp. You only have to do it once. Brass lasts a long time.

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                            • #15
                              CEDaytonaRydr
                              Veteran Member
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 4141

                              I trim my brass...

                              If you don't want to trim, get an RCBS "X" Die. You don't need to trim after you've trimmed them once...

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