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  • scfrogmansc
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 615

    .223/5.56 reloading issues

    Last time i was loading some 69gr match ammo. something happened to me the first time ever, as i was seating the bullet using RCBS dies, its putting what looks like a crimp on the tip of my bullet. why is this happening? can anyone help? is my seating die wearing out? what is the issue here? thanks
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  • #2
    GeoffLinder
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 2425

    Get a Redding micrometer seating die and this will stop happening. The RCBS die has a very small contact area on the ogive of the bullet and all the pressure is exerted in a small ring area hence the mark.

    The Redding micrometer seater die has a very steep angle and makes contact in a wider area so no indent marking.

    Some folks have had success grinding a wider radius on the seater plug on dies that do this but not everyone has the tool chops to do this with perfect concentricity

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    • #3
      scfrogmansc
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 615

      Originally posted by GeoffLinder
      Get a Redding micrometer seating die and this will stop happening. The RCBS die has a very small contact area on the ogive of the bullet and all the pressure is exerted in a small ring area hence the mark.

      The Redding micrometer seater die has a very steep angle and makes contact in a wider area so no indent marking.

      Some folks have had success grinding a wider radius on the seater plug on dies that do this but not everyone has the tool chops to do this with perfect concentricity
      but how come this just started to happen after 5000 rounds or so ? is the match bullet's jacket too soft?
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      • #4
        Gunsrruss
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 1488

        Soft

        All of them are soft. You must watch the amount of pressure you put on those bullets. When loading compressed loads keep your eye's open
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        • #5
          Chris M
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 1771

          Originally posted by scfrogmansc
          Last time i was loading some 69gr match ammo. something happened to me the first time ever, as i was seating the bullet using RCBS dies, its putting what looks like a crimp on the tip of my bullet. why is this happening? can anyone help? is my seating die wearing out? what is the issue here? thanks
          I don't know why it would start happening all of a sudden, other than maybe you are using bullets that are shaped slightly different than what you've been using.

          what I do in order to get rid of the ring on the bullet is - remove the seater from the die, then take a bullet, chuck it into a drill, coat it with some metal polish, and use it to slightly reshape the seating die.

          sometimes a real quick spin with some very fine steel wool will help, too...just don't over-work it.

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          • #6
            scfrogmansc
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 615

            second part of the questions are these "crimped" bullet going to shoot ? or should i just pull them all and just throw them away?
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            • #7
              Low-Pressure
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 1758

              Originally posted by scfrogmansc
              second part of the questions are these "crimped" bullet going to shoot ? or should i just pull them all and just throw them away?
              Can you please post some pictures. If it is only on the tip, it should shoot and not harm your barrel...... but post a picture so we can see what the crimp looks like.
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              • #8
                GeoffLinder
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2009
                • 2425

                Originally posted by scfrogmansc
                second part of the questions are these "crimped" bullet going to shoot ? or should i just pull them all and just throw them away?
                Just shoot them, the difference it makes doesn't become measurable until around 400 yards and even then it's not gonna be very measurable until you get near and past 600 yards.

                I learned this when I loaded about 200 SMK77's before I noticed it, thought it was fluorescent light glare until I did QC inspection on the batch. Went ahead and shot them on the LD rifle stage at the MGM Ironman 3gun match. Didn't have any issues hitting 10" targets at 45o-600 yards with them.

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                • #9
                  scfrogmansc
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 615

                  crimped

                  Pictures of the "crimped" bullet
                  Last edited by scfrogmansc; 03-15-2012, 10:25 PM.
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                  • #10
                    SixPointEight
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 3788

                    Compressed load? Is the seating rougher than before? is this the first time you've used that bullet?

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                    • #11
                      scfrogmansc
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 615

                      no not a compressed load, and no i shoot this bullet all the time i dont know why my die is doing this
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                      • #12
                        JD586
                        Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 134

                        My rcbs seater die leaves marks on those bullet too but no where near as severe as yours and not on every bullet. You can see the marks on the bottom left and top right bullet. Maybe your expander ball is worn on your resizing die and that is causing it to take extra pressure to seat the bullet.


                        Last edited by JD586; 04-07-2011, 10:11 AM.

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                        • #13
                          scfrogmansc
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 615

                          Originally posted by JD586
                          My rcbs seater die leaves marks on those bullet too but no where near as severe as yours and not on every bullet. You can see the marks on the bottom left and top right bullet. Maybe your expander ball is worn on your resizing die and that is causing it to take extra pressure to seat the bullet.


                          Is the expander ball some thing i can just replace or do i have to buy the whole die? again?
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                          • #14
                            pdq_wizzard
                            Veteran Member
                            • May 2008
                            • 3813

                            Originally posted by scfrogmansc
                            Is the expander ball some thing i can just replace or do i have to buy the whole die? again?
                            call RCBS and I bet they send you a new one free

                            also the tip of the bullet won't affect accuracy as much as the base will.
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                            • #15
                              Chris M
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 1771

                              Originally posted by scfrogmansc
                              Is the expander ball some thing i can just replace or do i have to buy the whole die? again?
                              The expander on most dies is easily replaceable. Remove out from the body of the die and measure it to make sure it's within specs. If it's out of spec, call up the manufacturer. They may give you a new one for free.

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