Neck sizing die Help needed.

[imasam]

I am going to buy a neck sizing die.. Can somone recommend which is the best way to go..Buy a Hornady neck sizing die that neck sizes and sholder bumps ..or to buy the Redding neck sizing die that only neck sizes.
I will be using it on a 22-250 ... I have been FL resizing for years.. and am changing over to neck sizing and only FL sizing when needed.
Thanks in advance

[CEDaytonaRydr]

I am going to buy a neck sizing die.. Can somone recommend which is the best way to go..Buy a Hornady neck sizing die that neck sizes and sholder bumps ..or to buy the Redding neck sizing die that only neck sizes.

The bold part...

The benefit of neck sizing it to keep the brass fire-formed to the chamber of the rifle you are reloading for. This will minimize expansion, thus improving accuracy and give you a longer brass life.

Keep in mind that if you do this, you should only fire that brass in the rifle you are neck sizing for. If that is your intent, use the die that only resizes the neck.

[imasam]

Thank you for the help..I knew that once necksizing fire formed brass that i can only use it in my GUN.... but after repeated firings sooner or later you need to FL resize or maybe just bump the sholder. One neck die can bump the shoulder the other cannot.. Is there any advantage to having the neck sizer that can also bump the sholder.. Or is it best to use the FL resizing die adjusted to just barely bump the sholder but it sizes the shell. I have seen were a partial FL resizing die make the cartridge longer requiring a sholder bump. Or better yet FL resizing..

[imasam]

I have been reloading for quite some time.. i have no problem understanding headspace and rifling twist etc.. I was just trying to make the most of new tool purchases. It's pretty easy to buy one type and wish you had bought the other.. Comes from expirence using the tools.. I was hoping to tap into someones prior expirences. I've bought ones and two's of things before .

Thank you for the help .. again

[gunboat]

Why not just back off the FL die ?

[smoothy8500]

Why not just back off the FL die ?

That may create more issues by still squeezing the body of the case and potentially causing the shoulder to move forward.

[SixPointEight]

Why not just back off the FL die ?

That may create more issues by still squeezing the body of the case and potentially causing the shoulder to move forward.

Not if you measure with a comparator. I do this with a Forster 308 die all the time.

OP, the problem with neck sizing, then doing a FL size when the brass no longer fits, is, you have two different case capacities. One capacity is the full size of your chamber, one capacity is the FL sized capacity. Doesn't seem like much, but it can have an effect.

IMO it's more valuable to set the shoulder back .001-.003 after each firing, maintaining a specific size, but also not overworking your brass. Look at this FL die:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=144073

It specifically says you can back it out to just size the neck portion of your case. While that's true, I'd pair it with one of these:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=479704

Screw the die in until it touches the shellplate, back it out a half turn. measure a fired, unsized case. Run it through the sizer. Measure again. The shoulder likely bumped FORWARD instead of back. Keep screwing the die down in small amounts until each case you size is bumped back to .001-.003 of your measurement. Lock the die down, and get on with your life.

[imasam]

Hey, thanks i will look into the forster die... I have used my RCBS dies in the past Full lenght resizing and also partial resizing my 300 win mag.. and 300 wsm... Apartial resize makes the case grow in lenght.. requiring Full lenght resizing to bump the shoulder back. The last 2 to 5 1/1000 of and inch of tightening the die determines the bump.. but by then i have Full lenght resized. I was planning to neck size .308 win cartridges and then follow up with a small bump when needed ... after TBD firings. Anealing and bumping until the cases expand and become tight in the chamber from full lenght expanding. I know i will eventually need to Full lenght resize and aneal again. I purchased tools for measuring the overall case lenght and the head space. So i will be measuring the headspace go no go for the finished cartridges and will know the max case trim to lenght.. most often you don't need to trim cases at all.. I will make sure i keep all the FL resized shells grouped and fireform them again before using them for serious shooting... I have been reloading since 1966 or so... Can't remember when i last bought factory rounds for my rifles....hmmmm

[imasam]

I normally trim all cases to the same lenght to aide in bullet seatting.. setting all the bullets back into the case the same amount. With the new propellants and new bullets.. I am changing over to the .308 winchest replacing the 300 win mag.. I'm getting older and don't want to break...me...not the gun..Things happen as you get older.. now i see the .308 performing as well as the .300 win mag.. with new hornady superformance i can reach out 600 yds for elk with the .308... although i prefer to get closer.. more sporting. I shoot a 22-250, a 300 win mag and a .348 winchester..And am now purchasing a .308 win.

[Nessal]

I have had great results with Lee Collet dies. I noticed that it can collapse soft cases. In order to remedy that issue, don't raise the ram unless there is brass there and also smooth down the internals with 0000 steel wool. Works perfect.


I found that Lee collet and Redding comp seater gives me the least run out.

[imasam]

THanks for the tip.. I ordered my new rifle today.. a Savage .308win Weather Warrior SS. I will be reloading the best ammo i can even though i bought a hunting version.. Wanted less weight to carry. I feel pretty confident hitting anything i want... 300 yds is point blank range.. 500 and 600 yds consistency will be my target.. I shot lots of woodchucks in Pennsylvania up to 500 yds.. no problem hitting. They're big animals.

With reguards to the dies i will be placing rubber garden hose washers under my dies.. gives them a little flexibility for alignment and absorbs some contact.
I bought a redding Deluxe die set .308 and a competition bullet seating die .308. I bought them separate so that i would have both bullet seating set ups.. actually it was $10 less that way.

For my 22-250 i have a Custom grade new dimension die set.. I ordered the Hornady neck sizing die.. I can remove the neck collet and bump the cases if needed.. I can probably bump a loaded round if i ever need to... I will only do a partial neck size..approximately %75 and leave a litte nub to help align the case in the throat..That is if i have enough neck.. The Savage 22-250 predator is new also.. I've only loaded 100 rounds or so.. They shot real well..Had a 1 hole 4 shot group when i started working up a load. I ordered a Bell and Carlson stock for my 22-250.... I'm waiting for the new stock before .... i shoot it more.

[imasam]

Another question does using the competition seater pose any problems if you are not using a custom competition grade barrel?