Is it true?

[BigBronco]

Sounds like my reloads cheap as possible.

[Munk]

so why couldn't this be true for ammunition? I think you guys are naive to think that this is not possible.

now i have had good luck with other brands of ammo at wally world....but on the wwb i did notice a difference. i am talking specifically from my own experience the .380 auto wwb...i did see a difference at the range. i was wondering if this were maybe true of other calibers in this brand.

you would be really surprised to know who i heard this from...a very reputable gun dealer...who's name i will not mention but for whom i have a lot of respect.

Sounds like you didn't read my entire post. If the product is identical in packaging, then it came off the same production line as every one else's. If the product has a model number or name change but is REALLY REALLY CLOSE to a common product, then it's a walmart run. See below for a prime example.

Not sure about the WWB, but the Federal Champion that they sell is made specifically for Walmart.

Take note of the item number WM5199 WM=Walmart



You can not find this brand anywhere on Federal's website.

Also if you take a look at the headstamp, it will say F.C. instead of Federal.

It shoots dirty. The casing is also thinner and the bullet is plated, not jacketed.

Yes it is of lesser quality, but it goes bang everytime and is good cheap plinking ammo.

For the same price of reloads, you get factory new ammo.

In my opinion, I would shoot lesser quality factory new ammo rather than unknown reloads.

This is one of those situations I mentioned earlier where the product is similar but not the same, and based on your description, i've been right to avoid federal pistol ammo at walmart.

WWB to my knowledge is the same as is available elsewhere since there's no walmart unique model numbering or product naming.

[rg_1111@yahoo.com]

you would be really surprised to know who i heard this from...a very reputable gun dealer...who's name i will not mention but for whom i have a lot of respect.

You reputable source wants to sell you higher price ammo.

[holiday]

nope...he is a gun dealer, and doesn't even sell ammo.

so the possibilities are there folks. you think your getting the same product out there as everywhere else but indeed it is a special load for the wally world shoppers.

hey, i am not complaining...i currently buy all my ammo at walmart; however, i doubt i will buy any ammo from there for self defense....just plinking and range ammo

[paradox]

Ever compare Walmart rubbermaid medium totes to what you would find at any other store? They are about a third smaller, thinner, and made out of much cheaper plastic. I would be shocked if ammo was any different.

[LGB Loader]

Question: In a world full of tweet tweet and texting acronyms, what in the heck does FUD mean?

Thanks,

LGB

[holiday]

FUD = fear, uncertainty and doubt...at least thats what i think it means

[nick]

This is an example of the point I was about to make concerning bulk buying.
The was employed, for example at the old Circuit City.
When your electronics or appliance bit the dust from CC, you'd find that the item was unique to CC and not available elsewhere due to a volume buying contract between the MFG and the Outlet. Think about it. How could you make that ammo cheaper for Walmart?????????
Well, you might want to replace a higher volume, slower burning powder for something like or equivalent to Bullseye. Bullseye could give you 1500-200 rounds/lb vs maybe 800! They could employ a lower priced out of country sourced brass. Same for primers. The bullets may be plated instead of FMJ.

The difference is that both the model numbers for the electronics sold at Circuit City, and the ammo sold at Walmart are different when it's a different product. For example, I bought a laptop from Circuit City way back when, and the model number was unique to Circuit City. The Federal ammo example above also demonstrates this. However, the same model number would correspond with the same product. I took a look at the WWB ammo I have, that I both bought from Walmart and online from multiple other sources (yes, I buy ammo whenever I see a good deal), and I don't see the difference in model numbers.

Walmart and other major retailers did try to pull this sort of scam before, which resulted in a string of lawsuits. Given that everyone is still dying to sue Walmart, I doubt they'd try to pull it again.

As for a gun dealer being a reputable source, while it may be true, there's a reason why gun store FUD is out there with DOJ FUD, not to mention the conflict of interest here.

[nick]

Ever compare Walmart rubbermaid medium totes to what you would find at any other store? They are about a third smaller, thinner, and made out of much cheaper plastic. I would be shocked if ammo was any different.

Is the model number/bar code different on them? I bet it is.

[coyotebait]

Very interesting thread, I was ready to scream FUD, but along with the examples shown, I emailed Walmart and Remington....just to ask. (Hey, why not go straight to the source?) Here's the response I got from Wally world.....


Who sets the quality standards for the ammunition sold in Walmart stores? Do you sell the ammo "as produced by the manufacturer" or does Walmart have it's own standards, and ammo manufactured specifically to to those standards?


Dear Micheal,

Thank you for contacting Walmart.com regarding ammunition.

We are writing in response to your question about selling guns on our Web site. Certain legal restrictions prevent us from selling guns in our online store. According to the Federal Gun Control Act, it is against the law to sell guns via the Internet. Firearms can be sold only through federally licensed dealers. Background checks and a personal inspection of photo identification are required. Because we have no way of doing this over the Internet, we will not offer firearms online.

Firearms and ammunition are only available at Walmart stores licensed to sell firearms. In fact, Walmart has sold firearms in its stores for nearly 40 years. We're proud to have become the destination of choice for American sportspeople, and we will continue to meet the needs of these customers in local Walmart stores throughout the nation.

Please contact your local Wal-Mart store regarding the quality standards for ammunition.

If we may be of further assistance, please email us at help@walmart.com.

Sincerely,
Walmart.com Customer Care


WOW!!!! Thanks, Walmart, thanks for not answering a simple question in the most "wordy" response as possible. Sounds like politicians.
I have not received a response from Remington yet, when I do, i will post it.
In the meantime, I guess if the part number has "WM", that's Walmart?

[SixPointEight]

Did they even read what you sent? That's bullcrap.

[coyotebait]

Did they even read what you sent? That's bullcrap.

The simple fact that they said I should ask my local Walmart store that question is puzzling. I'm thinking there's something to this thread.

[jmzhwells]

Its like the old "Sears" guns. The manufactures model was good, but the store brand was the same gun with cheaper stuff, and usually not as good.

[Sheepdog1968]

There have been articles over the years in magazines such as Fortune that have discussed products from manufacturers (Craftsman comes to mind as one example) that do indeed sell things to WalMart that are specifically made for WalMart and are of a different manufacturing process so they can sell it at a reduced cost. I don't know if the ammo manufacturers do this or not. Some brands do and some don't make this distinction of their packaging.

Having said that, I've shot at least 10,000 if not 15,000 rounds, of WalMart bought ammo through my pistols (mostly Winchester White Box). Of those, only one round might have had a bad primer (might have been the newer pistol and when I went tap rack the round fell forward of the firing line so I never got to inspect it). I've had maybe three rounds that were bent/misshapen where I didn't want to put them in my pistols. So, all in all 9,996 out of 10,000 rounds worked fine. I don't know if it is of lower quality but it runs just fine in my pistols.

[coyotebait]

Its like the old "Sears" guns. The manufactures model was good, but the store brand was the same gun with cheaper stuff, and usually not as good.

Even then it's a crap shoot. I have a "Ted Williems" Edition Sears 20 gauge pump gun. Looks like new and still shoots great. I learned to shoot skeet on it when I was about 10, I'm 41 now. As far as I can tell, with minimal internet searching, it's basically a Winchester. I don't doubt the cheaper materials though, since I don't hunt with it and it's pretty much been babied from the get go, it should be like new still, not to mention the fact that it's kinda tough to screw up a pump gun.
Sears also does this kind of stuff with their tires, Michelin stamped with "Sears. These are made by Michelin, but to a lower standard. I'm sure Wally world does the same.