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  • Bill Steele
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2010
    • 5028

    1 in a million, well maybe not...

    My H&K P2000 quit working a few weeks ago. Mid-magazine, pull the trigger, nothing.

    I field stripped it at the range and everything looked fine (trigger bar moved, hammer cocked, etc.), but the hammer would not drop.

    I decided (with my USAA discount) to ship the gun back to H&K and get it fixed under warranty. Unlike many, I had pretty good luck when I sent it in to have the V1 spring installed, so I went ahead and did it.

    I called a week later and asked how things were going. I got Debbie in repair (she had done my V1 spring upgrade) and she said she had just finished my gun. She said nothing had broken and that a small piece of debris had lodged between the trigger and the housing keeping the trigger from getting all the way to where it would trip the sear.

    I told her the gun had never been out of its case except when shooting at the range and that I cleaned it after each session. I was wondering out loud how something would have gotten up in there. She said, "well, maybe you got some back splash that landed right there when the action was open, maybe a one in a million chance. Anyway, it is fine, just waiting test firing and we will send it back."

    I got the gun back and took it to the range the other day. Everything went fine, but I was still really puzzled about my "one in a million failure."

    I think I got the answer last night. I had the batch of brass I had shot in the last few range trips and was decapping them when I came upon some that had no primer. I realized what had happend right away. The brass was some ex-NATO rounds with crimped primers I had de-crimped with a Hornaday chamfer bit and an electric drill. I guess I had over did the chamfering and made the primer pocket too loose.

    I am almost certain now, what had gotten lodged in my trigger mechanism was one of the spent primers that had popped out of the over chamfered case.

    Man, I am going to have to do a bunch of mea culpa's to H&K for all the bad things I was saying about my P2000. No wonder they say, "No Reloads!" in their manuals. They want to avoid dealing with numbskulls like me.
    When asked what qualities he most valued in his generals, Napoleon said, "give me lucky ones."
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    bumpo628
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 1142

    You could try one of these by hand next time: Hornady Primer Pocket Reamer


    Ronald Reagan once said that the most terrifying words in the English language are: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".
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    • #3
      Bill Steele
      Calguns Addict
      • Sep 2010
      • 5028

      That is the bit I used, I just took it out of the knurled knob and chucked it up in a drill motor. My thumb got a blister on it de-crimping by hand, so I thought I would "automate" the process.

      FWIW, all the pockets I did by hand (using the tool pictured above) are shooting fine.
      When asked what qualities he most valued in his generals, Napoleon said, "give me lucky ones."

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      • #4
        Antihero47
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 1312

        Spent primer that had popped loose would have been my first guess and what I was thinking the whole time. It happens on AR-15's and jams up the actions sometimes. Sounds like you got some extra work done on it anyways so not a waste of a trip, but if you see something happen when firing ammo and think we might be able to point it out post it up here the day of.

        Have fun and stay safe!

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        • #5
          bumpo628
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 1142

          Originally posted by Bill Steele
          That is the bit I used, I just took it out of the knurled knob and chucked it up in a drill motor. My thumb got a blister on it de-crimping by hand, so I thought I would "automate" the process.

          FWIW, all the pockets I did by hand (using the tool pictured above) are shooting fine.
          On a related note (i.e. threadjack - ),
          I used that tool to 'drill' out a couple pieces of NT 45 brass just to see if it could be done. I ended up taking just a bit too much out due to the wobble and I had to hit it with a punch to close the pocket back up. Maybe if I put the bit in a drill press it will keep it straight enough...
          Ronald Reagan once said that the most terrifying words in the English language are: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".
          Download my alloy calculator here: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=105952

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          • #6
            Ingrim
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2011
            • 63

            A friend of mine had his Remington 870 quit working at the range one day. He dropped it off at a shop, and it turned out a spent .22 shell had landed in the action when it was open and got lodged in the trigger group... Just another one of those "One in a Million" stories
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