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  • jpkotor
    Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 179

    what's the consensus on these bullets?

    I am just starting to research reloading these last couple weeks. I've been reading up on equipment, watching a lot of youtube videos, getting an idea of the price of things, etc before I buy a manual then commit to invest in equipment.

    Trying to make this an economically wise decision is important for me, although many people say don't reload to save money, reload for fun because you don't save all that much...

    well i'll try my best to do both, so what's the deal with these bullets:


    I'm looking to reload 9mm for the xd-9 I have recently purchased. These bullets are the best deal i've seen at $58-60 per 1k. I know I'd have to use a little more powder since they're 125 grain, as opposed to the standard 115gr available in bulk elsewhere (but the best price i've seen on that is about $100/1k), but that's almost negligible.


    Thanks in advanced for any input
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    GeoffLinder
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 2425

    Those are all "cast lead" bullets and that is why they seem cheap. You can use them, but I would advise using FMJ or JHP instead as jacketed bullets will be easier to use in a semi-auto pistol than lead ones for starters. Cast lead will smoke a lot (bad at indoor ranges) and foul the barrel up fast.

    When you have more reloading under your belt, you can then decide if shooting lead bullets is something you want to try.

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    • #3
      jpkotor
      Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 179

      Unfortunately, that is what I suspected, but now that I heard it from someone else I will likely end up coughing up with extra $$ for jacketed bullets if I start reloading. I definitely don't want to foul up my barrel and I expect to be shooting primarily at a local indoor range.

      Thanks

      Does anyone know somewhere to get jacketed bullets for under 100 per 1k?
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      • #4
        Bill Steele
        Calguns Addict
        • Sep 2010
        • 5028

        Here you go:



        I use these a lot, great product.
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        • #5
          chim-chim7
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 1845

          Nothing wrong with shooting cast lead. I shoot them in everything I own. You actually use less powder in a 125 gr bullet not the other way around. Plus you use much less powder in lead loads. More savings. The smoke is from the bullet lube and most indoor ranges have great ventilation systems and is never a problem. Save your money for things like guns don't waste good money on expensive plinking bullets.

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          • #6
            bumpo628
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 1142

            Originally posted by jpkotor
            Does anyone know somewhere to get jacketed bullets for under 100 per 1k?
            Check your manual for load data before you buy. You might not find data for the 124gr bullets for the powder you have.

            $86/1000 delivered (for Armscor 9mm 124gr FMJ bullets)


            $93/1000 delivered (for Montana Gold 9mm 115gr FMJ bullets)
            Small Montana Guns & Ammo & AR Parts & Mags & more business...I've been doing this since my start in 2009


            $100/1000 delivered (for 9mm 115gr FMJ bullets)
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            • #7
              Chief-7700
              Veteran Member
              • May 2008
              • 3382

              Originally posted by jpkotor
              I am just starting to research reloading these last couple weeks. I've been reading up on equipment, watching a lot of youtube videos, getting an idea of the price of things, etc before I buy a manual then commit to invest in equipment.

              Trying to make this an economically wise decision is important for me, although many people say don't reload to save money, reload for fun because you don't save all that much...

              well i'll try my best to do both, so what's the deal with these bullets:


              I'm looking to reload 9mm for the xd-9 I have recently purchased. These bullets are the best deal i've seen at $58-60 per 1k. I know I'd have to use a little more powder since they're 125 grain, as opposed to the standard 115gr available in bulk elsewhere (but the best price i've seen on that is about $100/1k), but that's almost negligible.


              Thanks in advanced for any input
              Mitch and Artie are great people to deal with, I have been doing business with them for years. Their bullets are hard cast lead and very accurate, have never had a leading problem with the 200 grain .45ACP LSWC that I buy by the thousands.

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              • #8
                GeoffLinder
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2009
                • 2425

                Hey Chief, I would have never dissed lead bullets for the OP if it was a .45ACP he was gonna' load for. 800fps is a perfect velocity range for lead bullets. He said this was for an XD in 9mm and 1100fps+ may give him a very different perspective.

                That said, I started loading 9mm many moons ago using soft lead bullets. Took me a bit to figure out what hard cast meant, and a bit more to figure out what not cleaning lead outa' barrels meant

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                • #9
                  Chief-7700
                  Veteran Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 3382

                  Originally posted by GeoffLinder
                  Hey Chief, I would have never dissed lead bullets for the OP if it was a .45ACP he was gonna' load for. 800fps is a perfect velocity range for lead bullets. He said this was for an XD in 9mm and 1100fps+ may give him a very different perspective.

                  That said, I started loading 9mm many moons ago using soft lead bullets. Took me a bit to figure out what hard cast meant, and a bit more to figure out what not cleaning lead outa' barrels meant
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                  XL-650 to feed the: .45ACP's Les Baer Concept V, Ruger SR 1911, Ruger Nightwatchman,custom built Colt M1911, Springfield .45ACP Loaded.. 9MM SA Range Officer,Ruger P-85, Springfield Stainless 9MM loaded, SA 9MM 5.25" XDM, Springfield 9mm Stainless Range Officer, STI double stack .45ACP.
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                  • #10
                    Oceanbob
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 12720

                    Personally

                    For me, 9MM ammo is so cheap these days, it's not worth reloading.

                    Of course some people who shoot Gun Games might reload.
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                    • #11
                      bumpo628
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 1142

                      You can reload FMJ 9mm for just over $6.00/box and cast your own for a little over $2.50/box. Buy hard cast or Plated and you're somewhere in between.
                      Retail is over $10, so it is worth it if you have the time.
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                      • #12
                        Bill Steele
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 5028

                        Another good option.

                        The go-to choice for shooters, Precision Delta is a leading manufacturer of ammunition and reloading components. All of our products are proudly manufactured in Mississippi


                        You input your Zip Code and the quoted price includes shipping.
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                        • #13
                          bumpo628
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 1142

                          Originally posted by Bill Steele
                          Another good option.

                          The go-to choice for shooters, Precision Delta is a leading manufacturer of ammunition and reloading components. All of our products are proudly manufactured in Mississippi


                          You input your Zip Code and the quoted price includes shipping.
                          Best price so far.
                          $74/1000 delivered (for 9mm 115gr FMJ bullets)
                          Last edited by bumpo628; 02-11-2011, 2:53 PM.
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                          • #14
                            sellersm
                            Junior Member
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 3

                            Nothing wrong with lead. Missouri Bullet is a good place to get lead.

                            For plated, FMJ, etc., try TJ Conevera: TJ Conevera Bullets

                            And as has been stated, generally you use less powder with the heavier bullets. Also tames the recoil a bit! With lead, you use a lower charge also. For plated bullets, use the mid-range load data.

                            Good luck!
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                            • #15
                              Corbin Dallas
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                              • May 2006
                              • 6335

                              Originally posted by jpkotor
                              I am just starting to research reloading these last couple weeks. I've been reading up on equipment, watching a lot of youtube videos, getting an idea of the price of things, etc before I buy a manual then commit to invest in equipment.

                              Trying to make this an economically wise decision is important for me, although many people say don't reload to save money, reload for fun because you don't save all that much...

                              well i'll try my best to do both, so what's the deal with these bullets:


                              I'm looking to reload 9mm for the xd-9 I have recently purchased. These bullets are the best deal i've seen at $58-60 per 1k. I know I'd have to use a little more powder since they're 125 grain, as opposed to the standard 115gr available in bulk elsewhere (but the best price i've seen on that is about $100/1k), but that's almost negligible.


                              Thanks in advanced for any input

                              Buy jacketed in bulk and spend just a few pennies more.

                              Or look into bear creek moly coated bullets. They do not lead your barrel as much.
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