MidwayUSA's stance on AB 962

[My375hp302]

Don't know if anyone else already did this but I E-mailed MidwayUSA regarding their stance on AB 962 and here's their answer...


Dear Brad,

Thank you for your recent email concerning California Assembly Bill 962, and its effects on our policies.

As you may know, Bill 962 criminalizes the delivery and transfer of handgun ammunition in all non-face-to-face transactions. Because the Bill does not clearly define "handgun ammunition," MidwayUSA regrets that we are unable to ship any ammunition to the State of California, effective January 21, 2011.

This policy does not apply to reloading components, which our California customers may continue to purchase in accordance with other applicable local, state, and federal regulations.

If you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to contact us at 1-800-243-3220. Our hours of operation are Monday through Friday 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. CT; Saturday and Sunday 9 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. CT. You may also email us at customerservice@midwayusa.com.

Thanks for Your Business!

Ryan
MidwayUSA Customer Service


-----Original Message-----
From: ##########@netzero.net [mailto:#########@netzero.net]
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2011 11:08 AM
To: MidwayUSA Customer Service
Subject: your stance on California AB 962

I recently purchased a reloading kit from your company and I would like to know if California's AB 962 which is set to take effect Feb 1 2011 is going to effect your ability to ship reloading components to me here in California. Specifically I would like to know if you are going to continue to ship handgun sized bullets (not loaded ammo) to California. Altho AB 962 does not ban the shipping of components, some retailers have chosen not to deal with CA at all after Feb 1 2011. I hope you are not among them. thanks Brad VanBibber

[707electrician]

This is sad because nowhere in pc12318 (AB962) does it say anything about reloading components

[iareConfusE]

This is sad because nowhere in pc12318 (AB962) does it say anything about reloading components

They said they would continue shipping reloading components, just not completed ammunition...

[My375hp302]

Why is it sad? They said their policy DOES NOT affect reloading components???

[Sheldon]

This is sad because nowhere in pc12318 (AB962) does it say anything about reloading components

They said it's ok to let you buy reloading components,,,,,"This policy does not apply to reloading components, which our California customers may continue to purchase in accordance with other applicable local, state, and federal regulations."

[707electrician]

Why is it sad? They said their policy DOES NOT affect reloading components???

I misread the post. Unfortunately a lot of vendors are saying they are not selling reloading components as well

[stphnman20]

I think reloading components suchs as "bullet" and "projectile" is mentioned in the bill.

[Chivas]

This is sad because nowhere in pc12318 (AB962) does it say anything about reloading components

You are correct. What they are saying is you can still buy reloading components. The part of the bill that talks about reloading components is Penal Code 12316 which states, "Sale of ammunition or reloaded ammunition to a minor; defense; possession of ammunition by persons prohibited from possessing a firearm and school grounds." This is not a new part of the Penal Code. It has been in affect before AB 962.

So you can still buy reloading components!!!!

The unfortunate fact is some vendors will go overboard on this. I just got off the phone with Dillion Precision and they informed me they will not ship ANY reloading components to California. They are wrong on this but he told me they are looking into the situation. They are looking at Penal Code 12316 subdivision (2) which states, "For purpose of this subdivision, "ammunition" shall include, but not be limited to, any bullet, cartridge, magazine, clip, speedloader, autoloader, or projectile capable of being fired from a firearm with a deadly consequence." So as I said above this Penal Code deals with persons that CANNOT possess ammunition or reloaded ammunition.

[Low-Pressure]

Good to know.

[stphnman20]

Here this should help:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=378054&highlight=palmetto

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=380758&highlight=palmetto

[FeuerFrei]

I was just thinking...what happens to all of the "I reload so it won't affect me" people when the legislature writes a law requiring a license to "manufacture at home" ammo.
I'm just saying what others are thinking.

[glockman19]

In all honesty, I appreciate that they will sell to NO ONE in CA. LE included.

It's only a matter of time before police departments run out of ammo and are unable to qualify with their firearms.

[My375hp302]

I was just thinking...what happens to all of the "I reload so it won't affect me" people when the legislature writes a law requiring a license to "manufacture at home" ammo.
I'm just saying what others are thinking.

I reload, but I buy ammo too and I think most reloaders still buy factory ammo to some degree so it does affect us too. But to answer you question, I don't know. Part of me wants the people to rise up and do something about it, but the smarter part of me thinks that most will just roll over and take it in the blank like normal.

[comblock]

I believe copes will continue to sell rifle ammo. What of pc 12323 do the vendors not understand in the definition of handgun ammo. "Prinicipally used in handguns, revolvers and concealable weapons notwithstanding that the ammo can be used in rifles."

[Chivas]

I was just thinking...what happens to all of the "I reload so it won't affect me" people when the legislature writes a law requiring a license to "manufacture at home" ammo.
I'm just saying what others are thinking.

I reload almost all of my stuff but do also buy factory. If someone who reloads takes the attitude, "It won't affect me" they must not REALLY be a serious shooter. WE SHOULD ALL BE NERVOUS ABOUT THIS. WHAT IS NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!