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  • victor1echo
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 1155

    .308 too much powder?

    I do not recall what powder (4350) I was loading for my sps tactical, but the amount of powder came nearly to the top of the case. I felt like the bullet would be seated right on top of the powder. Is that okay?
    Thanks
  • #2
    halifax
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 4440

    There are legitimate powder/weight combinations that will nearly overflow the case (i.e., compressed loads) BUT without knowing what powder/weight, bullet design/weight, OAL, your question cannot be answered with confidence.
    Last edited by halifax; 12-12-2010, 7:38 AM. Reason: cleaned it up a bit
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    • #3
      sonnyt650
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 586

      There are so many variables: depends on the bullet length, case internal capacity (I have lots of LC with very thick walls), powder type and weight, maybe others I don't remember off-hand. If the max load indicates it would be compressed there's your answer right there.

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      • #4
        Jonathan Doe

        I do not like compressed load. I use about 42 grains of IMR 4064 and it is fine for me. About 42 grains of IMR 4064, 4895 or Varget is a good load.

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        • #5
          Beelzy
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2008
          • 9224

          Originally posted by topgun7
          I do not like compressed load.
          I concur. I have pulled the bullets from rounds that had compressed powder
          charges after they were stored properly for over 5yrs and had caked powder at
          the top of the cases. The powder probably found some leftover case lube
          residue on the case neck and became one big clump of powder.

          Would most likely would only affect accuracy, however one's biggest reason to
          load one's own ammo is for creating accurate ammo.
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          • #6
            Oceanbob
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            • Jun 2010
            • 12720

            Limits

            I think military brass holds 56 grains maximum.

            Winchester commerical holds 58 grains.

            because generally, military brass often has thicker webs or casewalls.

            Most load charts I've seen have powder numbers in the mid 40s and one on this chart is 47 grains..that's almost topped off...

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            • #7
              NRAhighpowershooter
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              • Jun 2003
              • 6485

              Originally posted by Oceanbob
              I think military brass holds 56 grains maximum.

              Winchester commerical holds 58 grains.

              because generally, military brass often has thicker webs or casewalls.

              Most load charts I've seen have powder numbers in the mid 40s and one on this chart is 47 grains..that's almost topped off...

              http://www.6mmbr.com/308win.html
              me thinks you are mixing up info for 30-06 and 308.. I don't know of ANY 308 case that will hold 56-58grs
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              • #8
                Shoot-it
                Calguns Addict
                • Dec 2005
                • 5165

                I have that problem with H4895 with the 223 case. max load is 27.5 but it's hard to get it all in I have to tap the case.I now just load 26.8 it is more accurate anyway.

                What bullet gr were you using in the 308 ?
                I like H 4350 in big case's 270 7mm mag I never had any problem with them over flowing.
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                • #9
                  victor1echo
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 1155

                  I was using IMR 4350 (BECAUSE i HAVE IT) with speer 168 BTHP, and Nosler's reloading guide #6 suggests 46 -50 grains. 47 was nearly to the top. Also there is nothing about being acompressed load.
                  Thanks

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                  • #10
                    ironhiide
                    Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 396

                    Originally posted by victor1echo
                    I was using IMR 4350 (BECAUSE i HAVE IT) with speer 168 BTHP, and Nosler's reloading guide #6 suggests 46 -50 grains. 47 was nearly to the top. Also there is nothing about being acompressed load.
                    Thanks
                    Actually they are all Compressed loads. When you look at the table, look all the way to the left, where is states "Load Density Volume". A volume over 100 is compressed, and is also denoted with asterisks.

                    46gr-101%,
                    48gr-105%,
                    50gr-110%.
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                    • #11
                      J-cat
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2005
                      • 6626

                      If you tricle it in slowly though a long drop tube, the powder will settle better and you might not have to compress it.
                      Last edited by J-cat; 12-12-2010, 6:08 PM.

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                      • #12
                        G-forceJunkie
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 6440

                        How your funnel it in can sometimes matter as well. Try a funnel with a long neck and fill it from the bottom up and give it a few taps to settle it in.

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                        • #13
                          Shoot-it
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                          • Dec 2005
                          • 5165

                          Originally posted by victor1echo
                          I was using IMR 4350 (BECAUSE i HAVE IT) with speer 168 BTHP, and Nosler's reloading guide #6 suggests 46 -50 grains. 47 was nearly to the top. Also there is nothing about being acompressed load.
                          Thanks
                          Nothing wrong with that. I use 4895 because I found a good deal on 8 pounds of it.
                          Just go with a load that does not over flow this way you can pour fast and keep going.
                          Originally Posted by olhunter View Post
                          I prefer to not mount the fat ones.
                          Nice racks are much better. You can grab both sides of the rack to help stabilize while mounting.
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                          • #14
                            NRAhighpowershooter
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                            • Jun 2003
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                            Originally posted by victor1echo
                            I was using IMR 4350 (BECAUSE i HAVE IT) with speer 168 BTHP, and Nosler's reloading guide #6 suggests 46 -50 grains. 47 was nearly to the top. Also there is nothing about being acompressed load.
                            Thanks
                            Are you SURE you're looking at 308 loads and not 30-06 springfield loads??
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                            • #15
                              ironhiide
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                              • May 2009
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                              Originally posted by NRAhighpowershooter
                              Are you SURE you're looking at 308 loads and not 30-06 springfield loads??
                              No, that is correct. I checked my copy of the Nosler manual, and they are all compressed loads. IMR 4350 is not the optimal powder for that load, hence the compressed volumes to make it work.
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