9mm load check and die help

[tdaughg]

im running into a couple problems loading some 9mm. bear in mind im still pretty new to reloading and this is my first attempt at 9mm. the problem with my dies is the seater plug for my redding seating & crimp die is bottoming out before i am able to get some of the really short loads, in paticular 90gr bullets seated to OAL of 1.010. i can run the die down further but it crimps the bullet to much and it starts to shave copper off. is the die just not able to seat that low or am i doing something wrong?

second problem also is related to the 90gr bullet. im using magtech solid copper 92gr hp. powder is titegroup and the suggested starting load is 4.7gr and 1.010 OAL. trying to seat it that low with that much powder leaves so little room that it might be a compressed charge. also the case mouth would be sitting on the portion of the bullet where its tapering down. some of the other powders for the 90gr load data show an OAL of 1.095. would it be safe to use that since its longer than whats spec'd for titegroup? what do the experts have to say?

any help you guys have would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

gun specs:
ruger new model blackhawk .38/.357 w/9mm conversion cyclinder

ammo:
magtech 9mm brass
magtech 92.6 schp (more like 92.0 in reality)
4.7gr titegroup
cci sm. pistol primer.
OAL 1.095??

load data from lee modern reloading second edition

[pisarski]

lyman shows for a 95 gr bullet oal of 1.005 and for a 100.gr bullet it shows 1.105
you can make the seating longer it wont hurt a thing it will have less pressure and that is ok

[J-cat]

Can't help you with the seater plug. if it's bottomed out, then you are SOL. You could get a competition seater, but they be expensive. Don't worry about compressed loads with 90gr bullets. There is no issue.

ETA:

You could remove material from the bottom of the seater plug if you have access to a lathe. If you go to a machine shop, the job might cost twice the price of a comp seater though.

[fsx]

im running into a couple problems loading some 9mm. bear in mind im still pretty new to reloading and this is my first attempt at 9mm. the problem with my dies is the seater plug for my redding seating & crimp die is bottoming out before i am able to get some of the really short loads, in paticular 90gr bullets seated to OAL of 1.010. i can run the die down further but it crimps the bullet to much and it starts to shave copper off. is the die just not able to seat that low or am i doing something wrong?

second problem also is related to the 90gr bullet. im using magtech solid copper 92gr hp. powder is titegroup and the suggested starting load is 4.7gr and 1.010 OAL. trying to seat it that low with that much powder leaves so little room that it might be a compressed charge. also the case mouth would be sitting on the portion of the bullet where its tapering down. some of the other powders for the 90gr load data show an OAL of 1.095. would it be safe to use that since its longer than whats spec'd for titegroup? what do the experts have to say?

any help you guys have would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

gun specs:
ruger new model blackhawk .38/.357 w/9mm conversion cyclinder

ammo:
magtech 9mm brass
magtech 92.6 schp (more like 92.0 in reality)
4.7gr titegroup
cci sm. pistol primer.
OAL 1.095??

load data from lee modern reloading second edition

1.095 is your minimum for 9mm round, so unless you can guarentee to seat right at 1.095, try 1.100 to give yourself room for error. That's what I do. IF you seat 1.100, you have 0.005 room of error.

[mnguyen84]

yeah 9mm is tricky. what I do is put an empty brass casing in the ram, send it up.. screw the die in until it feels tight against the case. then I take the case out, and screw the die in a little bit more...maybe less than 1/4 of a turn.

then I take the round i want to copy, place it in the ram and send it up, and gently adjust the bullet seater within the die.

[tdaughg]

thanks for the info everyone.

i ended up seating them to 1.00. some with 4.7gr and some with 4.8gr. manual said a max of 5 so didnt want to go any higher. took them out today and tested them and my blackhawk loved them. both charges seem to shoot the same so ill just stick with the lighter one.

ill have to look into the competition seater dies. i might know someone that has a lathe. if so maybe he can make me some custom seater plugs.