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  • #1
    D53
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 2248

    9mm Luger or 9x21?

    So a while back ago I had purchased some 9mm dies. They are the Lee Carbide dies for 9mm luger. I recenlty posted them up in the for sale section since I am no longer reloading, I relized that the cover paper for the manual says 9mm Luger 9x21. Now from what I remember 9mm par/luger are 9x19. I have been loading and firing 9x19 rounds with no problems or hicups at all. When I looked up 9x21 I found this on wiki:
    9×21mm - Wikipedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9x21mm


    I am not sure if the manual cover is wrong or what, but I was wondering if that is why I am having a hard time selling them for $20 when I paid almost double that for them shipped. Here is a pic of the cover:

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      doctor_vals
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      • Feb 2007
      • 1478
      The 9x21mm originated in italy due to laws prohibiting civilians from owning firearms chambered in military calibers (9x19mm aka 9mm Luger). Shooters developed a case that was 2mm longer, 9x21mm to get around this law. Overall length of the cartridge is the same as the 9mm, to assist in making conversions easier. It would seem all that would be needed is proper barrel swap or to ream the chamber on existing barrel the extra depth.
      So, I assume you can use this set of dies to reload 9x21 and 9x19 as well.
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        • #3
          D53
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 2248
          Yeah, I read that, but with reloading I would figure you would want proper tolerances and fitment. But I guess its so small of a measurement it doesn't matter.
          "Because 4 inches is big to a midget" - Dave Attell

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              pdq_wizzard
              Veteran Member
              • May 2008
              • 3813
              Originally posted by D53
              Yeah, I read that, but with reloading I would figure you would want proper tolerances and fitment. But I guess its so small of a measurement it doesn't matter.
              Its the case length that is different, and that is why the dies are adjustable I have dies that can load both .38 and .357.

              you are good to go selling them for 9MM
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                • #5
                  D53
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 2248
                  right on, thanks for the reassurance guys
                  "Because 4 inches is big to a midget" - Dave Attell

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                    • #6
                      uscbigdawg
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 1869
                      You're okay. As stated above, the case length is the only difference. 9x21 is for countries that don't let their people own firearms that shoot calibers used by military and LE. So....this was developed for that purpose and used a lot by competition shooters.

                      Rich
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