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  • joelogic
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2008
    • 6593

    Rock Bottom .223 Reloading

    What do you get when you add brass, primers, bullets, and powder? Yes, you get your very own hand rolled ammo. Forget standing in line to buy ammo, thats for suckers.

    I have almost emptied a 8lb jug of powder and was wondering what I have spent to load a case of ammo. (Assumptions: 1. Your labor is free because you are not missing out on work to reload, if you have better things to do than reload, then go do those things. 2. Press has already been paid off but we could easily figure out what it would take to pay off the press.)

    Ok, I figure that with my last couple of orders I went rock bottom for a regular person because I am sure a commercial loader would get further breaks on pricing.

    Powder, 1 8lb jug of H322 $131.99. Add in $5/per for shipping and hazmat because the total was spread out, ie, a group buy.

    Primers, 1 case of primers $125. Add in $3/case for shipping and hazmat because I bought a lot of primers.

    Bullets, 1000 55gr FMJ's $66. To get this price you would have to do a group buy. Add in $4/box for shipping.

    Brass, if anyone has seen a guy at the range with an orange 5 gal Home Depot bucket on his hands and knees, thats me.

    Per round, $.055 powder, $.0256 primer, and $.07 bullet is $.15 or $150 a case. The only way to go cheaper is to buy surplus powder at $94 a jug. That would bring your powder cost to $.0377 a round saving you $18 per case. But the performance of surplus may not be worth and savings.

    Outdoor marksman has reloads for $303/case shipped. If you reloaded your own thats a $153/case savings and I just loaded 2 cases worth.

    Paying off your Dillon with reloading .223. A full tilt XL650 is going to be somewhere north of $1000. So, lets take $1075/$153 = 7. You would have to reload 7 cases of .223 to pay for the Dillon. So yes it wouldnt be until the 8th case that you are actually saving $153/case. Its even bigger savings if you figure from factory new. A case of PMC is $430 shipped making for a savings of $280. Then $1075/$280 = 3.8 cases. The XL650 pays for itself after reloading just 3.8 cases if compared to factory ammo.

    But if you look at the big picture it could be 5-10 cases of .308, .223, 9mm, .45, .40 or any other combo. Or just figure how much you shoot, 7000 rounds/500 round per month is 14 months to start reaching a pay back point. But seriously dont kind yourself into reloading for the savings do it to make better ammo or to shoot more often. With factory ammo I use to shot 100rds every couple of months but now that I reload I shoot a couple hundred rounds every month.


    Take one XL650

    Add,



    Last edited by joelogic; 06-30-2010, 11:20 PM.
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    joelogic
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2008
    • 6593

    And you get fresh made,
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    • #3
      EWILKE
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2010
      • 562

      Thats what I was wondering if .223 was worth reloading. I reload my .45 at about $7 a box of 50 and I always have some.

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      • #4
        Gio
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2008
        • 10251

        .223 is definitely worth it, I have enough materials to load 9K rounds in my room now. Just need to get cracking on the 4K pieces of brass I have all polished up and ready to be processed.

        Nice looking ammo there Joe
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        • #5
          Low-Pressure
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 1758

          Totally agree, reloading 223 rem ,9mm and 45acp are worth it. I shoot more now and picked up a new hobby.
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          • #6
            SixPointEight
            Veteran Member
            • May 2009
            • 3788

            I'm loading for $176 per 1000. I could be a bit less if I bought primers and powder online and in bulk, but I don't have the initial investment. For context, my friend was excited to get PMC 1000rounds for $320.

            On a side note...My god your brass is pretty. What do you do to get it that clean?

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            • #7
              fusionstar
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2007
              • 2332

              Originally posted by JT1989
              On a side note...My god your brass is pretty. What do you do to get it that clean?
              Mine were mirror polished after 3 hours with berry's tumbler from cabelas and the included polish and corn cob. I was so stoked... Now to trim thousands of cases... i hate this part.
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              • #8
                SixPointEight
                Veteran Member
                • May 2009
                • 3788

                Brass prep sucks. I got a pretty good polish today, using Meguiar's car polish(a cap and a half, and accidentally used twice as much mineral spirits as I planned. Two hours like that got some pretty cases, but yours still put mine to shame.

                Do you trim every case? You're doin too much unless you're going for "match" accuracy. I agree. Brass prep sucks!

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                • #9
                  BamBam-31
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 5318

                  Giraud. It hurts the wallet, but man, it's FAST!
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                  • #10
                    AIMSMALL
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 2538

                    I need to factor in the brass too, I like to buy matching HS brass, ussually 1k at a time in .45 and .223. Trimming the .223 sucks but saves a few bucks, it's about $65 once fired or $110 prepped for you and ready to load. Still well worth the savings over new ammo.
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                    • #11
                      RaymondMillbrae
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 2659

                      CLICK HERE to check out a cost calculator for your rounds.

                      As for sorting brass...for pistol I do not bother. I just tumble them clean, lube them, and then reload them. When done, one more final tumble to get the lube off...and off to the range they go.

                      For rifle brass, "I do" seperate the LC brass from the others. The LC brass is my "match stash". (What I consider reliable, and what I seperate for rifle and multi-gun matches). All the other stuff is used for practice - like rapid fire trigger control practice.

                      Follow me on this: LC brass is pretty consistent in their internal dimensions. So if my powder charge is consistent, the pressures will also be consistent, and I will have a very low standard deviation.

                      But the other stuff will vary wildly in their internal dimensions.

                      Let me give you an example: Lets say I am dropping a charge of 26-grains into LC brass. If my Dillon powder check is calibrated for 26-grains of powder into LC brass, all will be well. But place that same 26-grains into 5.56 NATO brass, and my powder check will read it as an undercharge. (Hence giving me lower pressures). And if I drop that same 26-grains of powder into certain Remmy .223 cases...my Dillon powder check will read it as a serious over charge. (Higher, and maybe dangerous, pressures).

                      Remember...this is still the same 26-grains.

                      Bottom line: Keep your good brass, your consistent-sized brass, for rifle matches, or where they need to count. Use the "other stuff" for plinking and practice.

                      Just food for thought. If you swing another way, that's also fine. We're all in the same jungle, using the same trees and vines to swing from.

                      In Christ: Raymond

                      PS: Good pictures, Joe. What type of bullets are those? They look like Montana Gold...but I do not recognize the box.
                      Last edited by RaymondMillbrae; 07-01-2010, 3:31 AM.
                      Some of my tutorials:

                      RELOADING .223 VIDEO
                      HOME MADE RECOIL SPRING TESTER
                      SHORTENING THE LOP ON AN FN SLP SHOTGUN
                      INSTALLING SIGHTS ONTO A REMMY 870P
                      HORNADY 366 AUTO - INTRO OF PRESS & SLUG COMPONENTS (Part 1)
                      HORNADY 366 AUTO - PROGRESSIVE RELOADING OF LYMAN SABOT SLUGS (Part 2)

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                      • #12
                        LGB Loader
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 727

                        Hearing all this reloading of 223 reminds how much I really think how much of a chore it is to prep "a batch" of brass. My plinking batches are only 1k at a time, too. I have seen some people prep like 10K (there's a guy I talk to on another forum I visit that trims on his 650 and loads on his 1050 and does like an upsurd number at a time) or more at a time but that is just outta hand.

                        Seriously, I do like to handload, especially using the arbor press and straight line dies from Wilson, but I do believe my 223 REM plinking rounds are the least favorite reloading chore I have. Anyone relate??

                        Cheers...

                        LGB
                        Last edited by LGB Loader; 07-01-2010, 8:48 AM.
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                        • #13
                          joelogic
                          Calguns Addict
                          • May 2008
                          • 6593

                          I tumble for two hours in corn for the initial cleaning and then when I am done prepping the brass I tumble it for 4 hours in corn with Nu Finish. I tumble 5 gallons of corn, 2000 pieces of .223, and 2 cap fulls of polish.

                          Those bullets are Xtreme bullets out of NV.

                          Prepping on a progressive is not that bad. You can run the press twice as fast as if you were loading. I load on a XL650 and swage by hand. Swaging sucks.
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                          • #14
                            RaymondMillbrae
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 2659

                            If I may interject...

                            someone watching my video tutorial (see my signature below) suggested that I place an inline timer on the vibratory tumbler. This way you can set it to tumble for a specific amount of time, and it will automatically shut OFF when done. No more "accidently" leaving the tumbler running for hours (or days) at a time, and wasting electricity. (Not to mention extending the life of the media).

                            Those inline timers can be quite costly, but I just happened to have two regular ole timers laying around my place (for my reptile enclosures and tarantulas), so it worked out great.

                            The timers I use are dirt cheap, and can be found at Home Depot, Lowes, or almost any hardware store.

                            It was a fantastic tip I recently acquired!

                            As for prepping .223 brass...yea...it's a pain in dee posterior. But then again, I sure shoot the heck out of that round. And a lot of it, at that.

                            In Christ: Raymond

                            PS: Joe, did I mention that you did a good job on the pictures?

                            Last edited by RaymondMillbrae; 07-01-2010, 11:02 AM.
                            Some of my tutorials:

                            RELOADING .223 VIDEO
                            HOME MADE RECOIL SPRING TESTER
                            SHORTENING THE LOP ON AN FN SLP SHOTGUN
                            INSTALLING SIGHTS ONTO A REMMY 870P
                            HORNADY 366 AUTO - INTRO OF PRESS & SLUG COMPONENTS (Part 1)
                            HORNADY 366 AUTO - PROGRESSIVE RELOADING OF LYMAN SABOT SLUGS (Part 2)

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                            • #15
                              stilts75
                              Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 235

                              I tumble in SS media with a rotary tumbler. It is absolutely amazing! and makes the scuzziest brass look new. Inside, outside and inside the primmer pocket as well. I have been doing this for a while, And I will never go back. Check out this link. Regards Jim

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