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  • Harvey Mushman
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 31

    Winchester primer failure

    I'm fairly new to reloading. Over a thousand rounds with no problems. I have been trying different brands of primers and today I had my first misfires. Out of 10 rounds 5 were misfires. So I stopped using that batch. They were Winchester primers with 50 grains of RL-15. The first 100 primers from this 1000 were fine. Trying to think If I could have contaminated them somehow but I careful while handling. Cases were neck sized with no lube. Does this happen once in a while? Any ideas???
  • #2
    orangeusa
    • Jul 2009
    • 9055

    This may not apply since related to Winchester bulk ammo at WW (9mm).

    I have had lots of lite strikes w/ this ammo. I had a competion hammer spring, went back to stock because of it. Others told me that the Winchester primers take more force to fire than say - Federal.... Two competition shooters told me the same thing....

    But - the difference is big. I shot almost 2000 Federal, and reloads with no issues.

    Started using Winchester 9mm, and was getting 1-2 lite stikes per box of 50.

    BUT, every one DID ignite on second firing of pistol, (let it timeout for hangfire, and then shot again).

    Hope that helps.

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    • #3
      Sunday
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2010
      • 5574

      Some primers can be harder .??? I have gotten away from light springs.
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      • #4
        Timberwolf
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2004
        • 6275

        That is not that common - how were they stored - could they have gotten damp, too hot? Did you touch the anvil side with your fingers during the loading process.
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        • #5
          Chief-7700
          Veteran Member
          • May 2008
          • 3382

          Originally posted by Harvey Mushman
          I'm fairly new to reloading. Over a thousand rounds with no problems. I have been trying different brands of primers and today I had my first misfires. Out of 10 rounds 5 were misfires. So I stopped using that batch. They were Winchester primers with 50 grains of RL-15. The first 100 primers from this 1000 were fine. Trying to think If I could have contaminated them somehow but I careful while handling. Cases were neck sized with no lube. Does this happen once in a while? Any ideas???
          Never had a problem with Winchester primers. Only primers that have given me problems were Federal since the XL-650 does not like them. A common problem in reloading is the primers not being seated all the way in the primer pocket. What happens is the first strike seats the primer all the way so that the anvil
          is in contact with the bottom of the primer pocket, second strike primer does it job and goes boom. So take your time and make sure that your primers are fully seated.

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          • #6
            Corbin Dallas
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            • May 2006
            • 6231

            Originally posted by Chief-7700
            Never had a problem with Winchester primers. Only primers that have given me problems were Federal since the XL-650 does not like them. A common problem in reloading is the primers not being seated all the way in the primer pocket. What happens is the first strike seats the primer all the way so that the anvil
            is in contact with the bottom of the primer pocket, second strike primer does it job and goes boom. So take your time and make sure that your primers are fully seated.
            ^^^ THIS is the most likely problem with your Winchester primers.
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            • #7
              knucklehead0202
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2008
              • 4087

              haven't yet had a problem with Win primers. CCI occasionally gives us primers with nothing in them, lol. good thing it's noticeable and usually doesn't actually make it into loaded stuff.

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              • #8
                Beelzy
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2008
                • 9224

                What was the lot number. and how old were they??
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                • #9
                  halifax
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 4440

                  Originally posted by Harvey Mushman
                  I'm fairly new to reloading. Over a thousand rounds with no problems. I have been trying different brands of primers and today I had my first misfires. Out of 10 rounds 5 were misfires. So I stopped using that batch. They were Winchester primers with 50 grains of RL-15. The first 100 primers from this 1000 were fine. Trying to think If I could have contaminated them somehow but I careful while handling. Cases were neck sized with no lube. Does this happen once in a while? Any ideas???
                  Originally posted by Chief-7700
                  Never had a problem with Winchester primers. Only primers that have given me problems were Federal since the XL-650 does not like them. A common problem in reloading is the primers not being seated all the way in the primer pocket. What happens is the first strike seats the primer all the way so that the anvil
                  is in contact with the bottom of the primer pocket, second strike primer does it job and goes boom. So take your time and make sure that your primers are fully seated.
                  The few times I've ever had trouble with primers is ^^^ this.
                  Last edited by halifax; 06-12-2010, 7:40 AM.
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