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  • AIMSMALL
    Veteran Member
    • May 2010
    • 2538

    need 45acp load advise for Sig P220

    Ok so I have a Sig P220 and also a IMI baby eagle in .45, I don't know what the problem is but I am way more accurate with the shorter barrel baby eagle. I'm using 5.0 of bullseye with a 230 gn berry plated round nose bullet. No feeding problems or any other issues besides accuracy.
    I'm shooting small steel plates at about 20 yards in a friendly "combat" style competition and just get way more misses with the sig than the eagle.
    Advice?
    Last edited by AIMSMALL; 05-26-2010, 11:02 PM.
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  • #2
    Beelzy
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2008
    • 9225

    You need to shoot a box of factory ammo as a control to see if it's the ammo or the gun.
    "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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    • #3
      buffybuster
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 2615

      Keep practicing...

      Make sure you shoot the pistol off sandbags on the bench, to KNOW where your rounds are going in relation to your sights. If they're way off, adjust/replace your sights.

      Then keep practicing.
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      • #4
        LGB Loader
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 727

        The other guys nailed it. I don't think think its the ammo because it's already proven. It's good ammo. 5 grs of BE behind a 230gr FMJ is a standard.

        I would spend some intimate time with the Sig and get to know it like you know the Baby Eagle. Sometimes, it takes longer or shorter time to get a pistol set up and wired, you know what I mean. Either way, you will soon learn if it's you or the pistol that's the problem or a combination of the two.

        Make sure you shoot the pistol off sandbags on the bench, to KNOW where your rounds are going in relation to your sights. If they're way off, adjust/replace your sights.
        This is a good way to set up and dial in your pistol.

        Good luck.

        LGB
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        • #5
          AIMSMALL
          Veteran Member
          • May 2010
          • 2538

          I haven't shot it off a rest, but it just seems strange to me that I'm so much better with the eagle. I've actually owned the 220 longer and shot it more then the eagle too. It's probably just me, I should ask one of the sharp shooter guys at the range to give it a whirl for me. Thanks for the replies they are all helpfull in figuiring out my next move.
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          • #6
            alex45auto
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 987

            Try 5.4 gr 231 or HP38 (they're the same powder) using 200 gr SWC hardcast (Mastercast). This works great on all my 1911s, sig 220, HK USP, and S&W 1917.

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            • #7
              AIMSMALL
              Veteran Member
              • May 2010
              • 2538

              Originally posted by alex45auto
              Try 5.4 gr 231 or HP38 (they're the same powder) using 200 gr SWC hardcast (Mastercast). This works great on all my 1911s, sig 220, HK USP, and S&W 1917.
              still kinda new to reloading, I've done about 4k .45 acp rounds with 3-4 different powder/ bullet combos and also done about 500 .223 rounds as well using imr 4198 and varget with various bullets. my point here is I don't have much experience but not exactly my first day in school either.

              Question is this, any problems shooting lead? How to tell if the lead is causing problems and then if it is what to do to fix it? Leading the barrels seems to be a debated topic that I'm just a little bit unclear on.
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              • #8
                AIMSMALL
                Veteran Member
                • May 2010
                • 2538

                Originally posted by buffybuster
                Keep practicing...

                Make sure you shoot the pistol off sandbags on the bench, to KNOW where your rounds are going in relation to your sights. If they're way off, adjust/replace your sights.

                Then keep practicing.
                I will bring the rest and bags etc next time at the range. Thank you.
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                • #9
                  Chief-7700
                  Veteran Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 3382

                  Originally posted by alex45auto
                  Try 5.4 gr 231 or HP38 (they're the same powder) using 200 gr SWC hardcast (Mastercast). This works great on all my 1911s, sig 220, HK USP, and S&W 1917.
                  My pet load of .45ACP is 4.7 grains of 231 using 200grain LSWC from www.bulletworks.com. Cycles the Colt M-1911 and the SA TRP Operator with ease.

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                  • #10
                    alex45auto
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 987

                    Question is this, any problems shooting lead? How to tell if the lead is causing problems and then if it is what to do to fix it? Leading the barrels seems to be a debated topic that I'm just a little bit unclear on.

                    Leading is very minimal with this load. I always run 3 to 4 jacketed loads to take out leading after my session with this load.

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                    • #11
                      Bug Splat
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 6561

                      The Baby Eagle is based off the CZ design so its going to be an accurate pistol. I know I shot CZ's way better than SIG's. Might not be the ammo at all.

                      Some people just shoot one gun better than another.

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                      • #12
                        AIMSMALL
                        Veteran Member
                        • May 2010
                        • 2538

                        Alex and Chief, do you guys [I]prefer[I] to shoot lead or is it a budget thing? I have seen low prices on swc' s on auctionarms but I get my bullets for a pretty good deal from a buddy so that being said and considering i already have about 2k of the berry 230 rn's should I think about buying some other bullets anyway to improve accuracy?

                        like LGB said me it is just me? I will find out more next time at the range with the rest and the bags.
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                        • #13
                          five.five-six
                          CGN Contributor
                          • May 2006
                          • 34926

                          my pet target load for .45acp is 4.7 grains of bulseye with a 195 SWC

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                          • #14
                            AIMSMALL
                            Veteran Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 2538

                            Originally posted by Bug Splat
                            The Baby Eagle is based off the CZ design so its going to be an accurate pistol. I know I shot CZ's way better than SIG's. Might not be the ammo at all.

                            Some people just shoot one gun better than another.
                            Yeah it could be that too, I haven't tried accuracy testing both guns of a rest, only during the steel match I shoot both guns on each stage and seem to get almost twice as many misses with the sig.

                            Looking forward to my next chance to get to the range.
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                            • #15
                              Chief-7700
                              Veteran Member
                              • May 2008
                              • 3382

                              Originally posted by AIMSMALL
                              Alex and Chief, do you guys [I]prefer[I] to shoot lead or is it a budget thing? I have seen low prices on swc' s on auctionarms but I get my bullets for a pretty good deal from a buddy so that being said and considering i already have about 2k of the berry 230 rn's should I think about buying some other bullets anyway to improve accuracy?

                              like LGB said me it is just me? I will find out more next time at the range with the rest and the bags.
                              I have found over the years that the 200 gr LSWC to be the most accurate bullet, my last bullet order was 7K for around $300.00 with shipping included.
                              I shoot around 400 to 500 rounds a week. Still have around 1K of loaded 230gr. plated round nose rounds, just happen to like the lead.
                              Last edited by Chief-7700; 05-15-2010, 10:54 PM.

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