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  • #16
    racky
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    • Feb 2009
    • 1044

    from wiki
    HISTORYADVANTAGE
    A number of advantages are claimed by the supporters of polygonal rifling. These include:

    Not compromising the barrel's thickness in the area of each groove as with traditional rifling.
    Providing a better gas seal around the projectile as polygonal bores tend to have a slightly smaller bore area, which translates into more efficient use of the combustion gases trapped behind the bullet,[3] slightly greater (consistency in) muzzle velocities and slightly increased accuracy.[4]
    Less bullet deformation, resulting in reduced drag on the bullet when traveling through the barrel which helps to increase muzzle velocity.
    Reduced buildup of copper or lead within the barrel which results in easier maintenance characteristics.
    Prolonged barrel life.
    However, precision target pistols such as those used in Bullseye and IHMSA almost universally use traditional rifling, as do target rifles. The debate among target shooters is almost always one of cut vs. button rifled barrels, as traditional rifling is dominant. Polygonal rifled barrels are used competitively in pistol action shooting, such as IDPA and IPSC competitions.

    Part of the difference may be that most polygonal rifling is produced by hammer forging the barrel around a mandrel containing a reverse impression of the rifling. Hammer forging machines are tremendously expensive, far out of the reach of custom gunsmiths (unless they buy pre-rifled blanks), and so are generally only used for production barrels by large companies. The main advantage of a hammer forging process is that it can rifle, chamber, and contour a bored barrel blank in one step. First applied to gun barrel rifling in Germany in 1939, hammer forging has remained popular in Europe, but was only later used by gunmakers in the United States. The hammer forging process produces large amounts of stress in the barrel that must be relieved by careful heat treatment, a process that is less necessary in a traditionally cut or button rifled barrel. Due to the potential for residual stress causing accuracy problems, precision shooters tend to avoid hammer forged barrels, and this limits them in the type of available rifling. From a practical standpoint, any accuracy issues resulting from the residual stresses of hammer forging are extremely unlikely to be an issue in a service pistol or a typical hunting rifle.

    LEAD BULLETS AND POLYGONAL RIFLING
    The manufacturer Glock advises against using lead bullets (meaning bullets not covered by a copper jacket) in their polygonally rifled barrels, which has led to a widespread belief that polygonal rifling is not compatible with lead bullets. Firearms expert and barrel maker, the late Gale McMillan, has also commented that lead bullets and polygonal rifling are not a good mix. Some have made a point of the fact that neither H&K nor Kahr explicitly recommend against lead bullets in their polygonal rifled barrels, and feel that it is probable that there is an additional factor involved in Glock's warning. However, Kahr's FAQ does include a warning that lead bullets can cause additional fouling[5] and recommends special attention to cleaning after using them. In addition, while H&K doesn't warn against the use of lead, at least one well-documented catastrophic incident in an H&K pistol[6] appears to be related to this issue. Furthermore, Dave Spaulding, well-known gun writer, reported in the February/March 2008 issue of Handguns Magazine that when he queried H&K about their polygonally rifled barrels that they commented: "It has been their experience that polygonal rifling will foul with lead at a greater rate than will conventional rifling."

    One suggestion of what the "additional factor involved in Glock's warning" might be is that Glock barrels have a fairly sharp transition between the chamber and the rifling, and this area is prone to lead buildup if lead bullets are used. This buildup may result in failures to fully return to battery, allowing the gun to fire with the case not fully supported by the chamber, leading to a potentially dangerous case failure. However, since this sharp transition is found on most autopistols this speculation is of limited value. The sharp transition or "lip" at the front of the chamber is required to "headspace" the cartridge in most autopistols.

    Another possible explanation is that there are different "species" of polygonal rifle and perhaps Glock's peculiar style of polygonal rifling may be more prone to leading than the particular styles employed in the H&K and Kahr barrels.

    Leading is the buildup of lead in the bore that happens in nearly all firearms firing high velocity lead bullets. This lead buildup must be cleaned out regularly, or the barrel will gradually become constricted resulting in higher than normal discharge pressures. In the extreme case, increased discharge pressures can result in a catastrophic incident.
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    • #17
      XDRoX
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      • Mar 2009
      • 4420

      Interesting read. Thanks racky. I'm still not completely sold on polygonal being better than traditional. I will retract my "cheap barrel" comment in my OP.

      All things considered, it seems traditional still wins IMO. The simple fact that you can shoot lead without worrying about a KB seems to outweigh the accuracy theory.

      I can tell you that it is a fact that you could not tell a difference in accuracy with my shooting between the two.
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      • #18
        racky
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 1044

        for me, as long as a gun points where i shoot, i'm satisfied. when it comes to loading fmj vs lead, the difference is roughly $20 per 1000 so i shoot fmjs through my hk. now if i start decide to start shooting steel targets, i'll probably get a new barrel so i can shoot lead.



        the best part about efk is that you don't have to have to ship to an FFL for the barrel. and... you can get threaded barrels !!! (for when you move to a free state later on)
        Last edited by racky; 03-08-2010, 9:23 AM.
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