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  • powaybob
    Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 435

    LNL Progressive Initial Setup

    My Hornady LNL Progressive arrived Friday form Cabela's and became the weekend project.

    Step 1- Watch all the videos, then watch them again before each step! They really help.

    Step 2- Clean the pieces as directed- they really are oily and greasy. The Remington spray clean and lube I got at Wally World works fine.

    Step 3- Die set up. I have Lee 45 ACP dies, and I had trouble with expanding die and the seating die. The expanding die was not getting far enough done the throat of the case. The seating die was apparently crimping before the bullet would seat. I think I have it adjusted now, but I am still watching this point. I am going to order Hornady dies with the thought that they may be better suited to the press (and I get more free bullets!).

    Step 4- Primer assembly. The shuttle spring is now another piece of space junk in orbit somewhere. It flew across the room and I could not find it again. I tried to fashion a workable spring from some I got at Home Depot but the diameter, length, or strength was never quite right. I got something working so-so, but I am going to order a new spring (and a spare).

    Fabricate a low primer warning by finding a stick (I had a fiber glass rod lying around). Put it in the empty primer tube and wrap a piece of tape around it at the top of the tube. Take it out, fill the primer tube (it holds about 125 primers- I had to determine this being an engineer), then put your indicator into the tube on top of the primers. When the tape hits the top of the tube it is time to refill.

    The Wolf primers have an advantage for the LNL because they are packed anvil up. That means if you invert the package and carefully slide the sleeve from the tray on a table top the primers are shiny side up and easy to use the loading tool.

    Step 5- The case-based powder measure- I love it. I cleaned it thoroughly as directed, though I had to view the video again to make sure I got the parts together right. That guy in the video has had too much practice! It probably took a third of the time to get the right charge compared to my old powder measure.

    Step 6- Made a used primer catcher. Take an empty (and clean) plastic bottle and simply drill a 7/16 inch hole in the top and insert the plastic hose, It couldn't be easier.

    Step 7- Trial run. I loaded about 50 rounds of 45 ACP (200 gr Rainier RN and 5.4 gr of Unique). I got about 35 shootable rounds. The major problem was the failure to prime which I think is related to losing the correct spring. Second problem was bullet seating- the bullet wold have some of the plating sliced off on one side. This makes me think the Hornady dies would work better. The new style bullet kicker works great.


    Overall impression is positive so far, but there is much to learn. I wish I could get the guy in the video to come over and adjust my set up- he looks like he could do a setup blindfolded. My order for 1000 bullets is filled out and in the envelope ready to mail today. A great Christmas present from my wife.
  • #2
    Fyathyrio
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 1082

    Just went through the same drill when I set up mine...but I did have the Hornady dies and had zero probs getting it set up other then taking a while since I'd never done it before. So far I've managed to not launch the primer spring.

    Oh, my LNL came with a thin fiberglass rod like you're talking about to help feed the primers and also to show the primer level.
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    • #3
      powaybob
      Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 435

      Fyathyrio,

      That explains where the fiberglass rod came from. I found it on the floor near where I unpacked the box and did not notice it until the next day. I thought it was part of a kite I had thrown out.

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      • #4
        mstlaurent
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 1408

        On the primer spring: Don't just order one, give their customer service a call and they will ship you one for free. I've been through two of the primer cam followers, and on the last call they sent me two replacements (just in case ). Their customer service is excellent.
        I've never seen an American flag burned at a gun show.

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        • #5
          cjskalka
          Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 458

          Ive loaded about 300 rounds of .223 on mine and am continuously getting primer seating that is just barely flush, or at least certainly higher than I'd like. Even with excessive force on the upstroke. This got so frustrating that I just hand primed the brass and skipped that step. Anyone else have this problem? Seems like all that's needed is a longer primer punch.

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          • #6
            Fyathyrio
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 1082

            My 1st 100 rounds had varied primer seating depths like you mention, but I was sitting slightly off to the left to make grabbing brass and bullets a bit easier. After that I moved my seating position to directly in front of the press so I'm getting a straight shot from arm to lever and my primer seating has been much more uniform.
            "Everything I ever learned about leadership, I learned from a Chief Petty Officer." - John McCain
            "Use your hammer, not your mouth, jackass!" - Mike Ditka
            There has never been a shortage of people eager to draw up blueprints for running other people's lives. - Thomas Sowell
            Originally posted by James Earl Jones
            The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose.

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            • #7
              powaybob
              Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 435

              Just got off the phone with Hornady. They are indeed mailing me a couple of shuttle springs and a small primer shuttle (there were two large shuttles packed).

              Customer service person Bob said he has lost a few springs himself, and was quite pleasant.

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              • #8
                cjskalka
                Member
                • Apr 2009
                • 458

                Originally posted by Fyathyrio
                My 1st 100 rounds had varied primer seating depths like you mention, but I was sitting slightly off to the left to make grabbing brass and bullets a bit easier. After that I moved my seating position to directly in front of the press so I'm getting a straight shot from arm to lever and my primer seating has been much more uniform.
                That's indeed how I was sitting, I'll have to try moving my chair.

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                • #9
                  Waldog
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 528

                  Buy one of these Jewels! http://www.powderfunnels.com/

                  Used in conjunction with your Case-Activated-Powder-Drop Powder measure. You can EASILY adjust any amount of CASE MOUTH BELL and your bullet shaving problem will vanish. Works with all calibers from .30 to .50.

                  I have loaded 35,000 + rounds with my LNL. I love it!!

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                  • #10
                    ejor
                    Member
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 212

                    To use the lee dies I had to remove the o-rings and turn the lock rings upside down so that the dies would go deep enough into the bushings. The lee dies work as well as the hornady this way. Sounds like both your sizing and expanding die sound like they may need to be adjusted lower.
                    I use the primer rod or the last primer turns sideways and jams if it runs to zero primers.
                    I also had to adjust the rod that cams the primer feed so it would pick up a primer every time. loosen the screw at the top and lean the rod out slighty if it is not picking up a primer every time.

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                    • #11
                      ar15barrels
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 57147

                      Originally posted by powaybob
                      My Hornady LNL Progressive arrived Friday form Cabela's and became the weekend project.

                      Step 3- Die set up. I have Lee 45 ACP dies, and I had trouble with expanding die and the seating die. The expanding die was not getting far enough done the throat of the case. The seating die was apparently crimping before the bullet would seat. I think I have it adjusted now, but I am still watching this point. I am going to order Hornady dies with the thought that they may be better suited to the press (and I get more free bullets!).

                      Step 4- Primer assembly. The shuttle spring is now another piece of space junk in orbit somewhere. It flew across the room and I could not find it again. I tried to fashion a workable spring from some I got at Home Depot but the diameter, length, or strength was never quite right. I got something working so-so, but I am going to order a new spring (and a spare).

                      Fabricate a low primer warning by finding a stick (I had a fiber glass rod lying around). Put it in the empty primer tube and wrap a piece of tape around it at the top of the tube. Take it out, fill the primer tube (it holds about 125 primers- I had to determine this being an engineer), then put your indicator into the tube on top of the primers. When the tape hits the top of the tube it is time to refill.

                      Step 6- Made a used primer catcher. Take an empty (and clean) plastic bottle and simply drill a 7/16 inch hole in the top and insert the plastic hose, It couldn't be easier.

                      Step 7- Trial run. I loaded about 50 rounds of 45 ACP (200 gr Rainier RN and 5.4 gr of Unique). I got about 35 shootable rounds. The major problem was the failure to prime which I think is related to losing the correct spring. Second problem was bullet seating- the bullet wold have some of the plating sliced off on one side. This makes me think the Hornady dies would work better.
                      Step 8- Get a Dillon press and especially Dillon's dies.
                      They don't have all those issues because Dillon's been making progressive preses so long that they have this stuff all figured out.
                      Last edited by ar15barrels; 12-07-2009, 11:42 PM.
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                      • #12
                        ejor
                        Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 212

                        Cjskalka-How solidly the press is mounted affects primer seating depths also. I had to stiffen my bench up some to get my large primers to seat uniformly, small primers seem to seat easier.


                        a easy primer catcher- small empty water bottle, poke a x through cap with knife and stick hose through the x-cut. when 1/2 full swap for an empty one, also had to use a ty-strap on the top of hose as after 5000 rds it kept falling off.
                        Last edited by ejor; 12-07-2009, 11:51 PM.

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                        • #13
                          50BMGBOB
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 1738

                          I have a 5 gallon bucket under my loading bench with the hose going into it. Any bad brass or even 22LR that I sweep up at the range goes into it and when it is full I turn it in for scrap.
                          sigpic50BMGBOB aka 50BMGLAZARUS aka 50BMGZOMBIEBOB aka the UN- DEAD!

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                          • #14
                            powaybob
                            Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 435

                            Ejor,
                            Thanks for the tip on the dies. I'll try it when I get time for the press.

                            AR-15 barrels,
                            I don't consider any of these issues, just part of the learning curve. I would have made mistakes setting up any brand.

                            The benefit of forums like this is learning from each other. My experiences, like launching springs, are probably good examples of things not to do. The responses to posts provide a number of great tips learned from experience. Thanks all.

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                            • #15
                              ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 57147

                              Originally posted by powaybob
                              I don't consider any of these issues, just part of the learning curve.
                              I would have made mistakes setting up any brand.
                              If you have not ordered the hornady dies yet, seriously consider the Dillons.
                              They are the only dies tht are optimized for progressive loading.
                              They have features like a belled opening on the seat and crimp dies to ensure the bullet aligns itself better during seating as well as the spring loaded decapping pin that throws a crimped primer off the decapping pin instead of drawing it back into the case.
                              With the exception of Redding's pro series having the belled openings, all other reloading dies are made for single stage loading where you are placing the case perfectly under the die before you run the ram up.
                              Randall Rausch

                              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                              Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                              Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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