can you sell your own reloaded ammo?

[freakshow10mm]

You are still being compensated for your labor. It doesn't matter if it's cash, check, or trade of favor or other goods/services. If you are compensated in any form, you are in violation.

If they are pulling the handle, they are loading it. If you are pulling the handle, you are loading it.

The ATF does not mess around with this stuff guys. The FFL is $30 for three years. If you can't afford to play ball, don't go on the field.

[pdq_wizzard]

You are still being compensated for your labor. It doesn't matter if it's cash, check, or trade of favor or other goods/services. If you are compensated in any form, you are in violation.

If they are pulling the handle, they are loading it. If you are pulling the handle, you are loading it.

The ATF does not mess around with this stuff guys. The FFL is $30 for three years. If you can't afford to play ball, don't go on the field.

It is done with them doing at lest 75% of the work, and they are there the whole time. I only help. everyone that has ever asked me to reload for them has been told the same thing "you can use my equipment but you have to do most of the work I will help you".

Forgot to add they do pull the handle. It is more fun for them that way.

[bohoki]

so are you saying it is illegal for me to sell some old reloads i made years ago sold the gun and want to get rid of now?

[IrishPirate]

but you could load ammo and give it away right? there's no problem there? if so couldn't you charge a fee for delivering it, or for the container you put it in? that's what Jack Daniels does at their distillery. you can't buy the booze cuz it is in a "dry" town so you buy the bottle and the booze in it is free. no sale of alcohol takes place. couldn't you apply this to reloading? and i thought i saw somewhere that you need to get liability insurance to sell your reloads and that it's like 2500 a year or something? is that just commercially? would it apply to "infrequent sales"?

[LexLuther]

good question on the insurance, I sell to family and close friends for very close to cost. I think that you will not come up on the radar until you start selling in some volume...

[bohoki]

but you could load ammo and give it away right? there's no problem there? if so couldn't you charge a fee for delivering it, or for the container you put it in? that's what Jack Daniels does at their distillery. you can't buy the booze cuz it is in a "dry" town so you buy the bottle and the booze in it is free. no sale of alcohol takes place. couldn't you apply this to reloading? and i thought i saw somewhere that you need to get liability insurance to sell your reloads and that it's like 2500 a year or something? is that just commercially? would it apply to "infrequent sales"?

booze free you have to buy the bottle i dont think would fly why not just bring your own milkjugs

if buying the bottle is a condition of the free hooch then it isnt really free is it?

[freakshow10mm]

but you could load ammo and give it away right? there's no problem there? if so couldn't you charge a fee for delivering it, or for the container you put it in? that's what Jack Daniels does at their distillery. you can't buy the booze cuz it is in a "dry" town so you buy the bottle and the booze in it is free. no sale of alcohol takes place. couldn't you apply this to reloading? and i thought i saw somewhere that you need to get liability insurance to sell your reloads and that it's like 2500 a year or something? is that just commercially? would it apply to "infrequent sales"?

It doesn't work like that. If you are including something with the purchase, it is not free and it's part of the sale package.

Liability insurance for an ammunition manufacturer is a commercial insurance product. Whether you sell only to your friends and family once a year in a little group buy or whether you sell it every day as a business. There's no pick and choose. You have it or you don't. Policy runs for a year. If you get it you are covered for a year no matter how many sales you perform. Your premium is based upon your gross sales receipts for the policy year. The more you sell, the more liability, the high your premium.

good question on the insurance, I sell to family and close friends for very close to cost. I think that you will not come up on the radar until you start selling in some volume...

There is no degree of legality here. It is or it isn't. If you sell (trade or are compensated in any manner) ammunition you load to someone else and you are not licensed as an ammunition manufacturer, you are breaking the GCA of 1968. It isn't that hard to understand. It's $30 for three years for the FFL. Is it really too much money to spend to risk your freedom? Over a $30 FFL? If you can't ante up, don't put those that comply with laws in a bad light. You just ruin it for the rest of us.

[Bigballaizm]

Good info, thanx FS & everyone!

[IrishPirate]

booze free you have to buy the bottle i dont think would fly why not just bring your own milkjugs

if buying the bottle is a condition of the free hooch then it isnt really free is it?

i know, but that really is how they work it. it's basically if you buy this bottle, we'll fill it with booze at no cost. it's the only way they can sell to people at the distillery. weird, but true.

It doesn't work like that. If you are including something with the purchase, it is not free and it's part of the sale package.

Liability insurance for an ammunition manufacturer is a commercial insurance product. Whether you sell only to your friends and family once a year in a little group buy or whether you sell it every day as a business. There's no pick and choose. You have it or you don't. Policy runs for a year. If you get it you are covered for a year no matter how many sales you perform. Your premium is based upon your gross sales receipts for the policy year. The more you sell, the more liability, the high your premium.
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but is liability insurance a requirement? if i get the $30 FFL which is no problem, do i need to get the insurance if i only sell to say, my family? and how do you go about paying exise taxes to the government? is that covered in the FFL welcome book the way things are with a C&R FFL???

[freakshow10mm]

Insurance isn't a requirement but it's recommended. If you load only for family and friends, you might go without. Remember if someone is injured they will no longer be your family/friend.

There is no FFL book for an ammunition manufacturer. No paperwork. Get your FFL and give them hell.

Other questions answered in PM.

[Rob454]

My dad reloads. Ive shot his reloads but I wouldnt use anyone elses. I would use factory reloads, my dads and even a budy who reloads but just a guy off the street who I know nothing about? naw While I can easily replace a gun i cant replace my fingers as easily

[IrishPirate]

thanks for the info guys, I got all that i need.