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  • freakshow10mm
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 3061

    Powder cost analysis.

    Tinkering around with my morbid fascination with spreadsheets (Numbers in Mac). I keep all my price lists, costs, etc for my ammo on separate spreadsheets and segregate my retail, wholesale, and LE prices to its own file.

    I'm looking to fine tune efficiency and reduce costs associated with my business. I took a look at using off the shelf powders for pistol loads. I have always liked medium burn powders and that's what I use in commercial and personal ammo. Nice balance of performance and safety with reasonable economy. With the exception of high velocity, light bullet loads they are all going to load 1,000 rounds per pound or more.

    So I grabbed a beer and starting spreadsheeting. Figured costs per keg (or drum as applicable), cost per pound, cost per case for all loads in my catalog for #5, Uniue, WSF, W231/HP38 (same exact powder), and Longshot. W231/HP38 being the same powder but slight price difference at keg prices.

    Here's a summary I'd like to share.

    Code:
    Cost per Keg incl. assumed $37.50 ship/HM fee [drum qty in brackets]
    AA #5 $146.49 [$487.49]
    [B]Unique $129.09[/B]
    WSF $148.29
    W231 $148.29
    Longshot $155.49
    
    Cost per Pound
    AA #5 $18.31 [B][$12.19][/B]
    [B]Unique $16.14[/B]
    WSF $18.54
    W231 $18.54
    Longshot $19.44
    
    Cost per Case Ammo
    AA #5 $18.18 [B][$12.10][/B]
    Unique $13.47
    WSF $15.14
    [B]W231 $12.93[/B]
    Longshot $21.84
    Interesting things going on. First off, I use certain powders in certain applications only and the others are N/A for the field, so the averages contain those loads in which the powder is used for the load in question. This is applicable to loads in standard bullet weights in 9mm, 40, 10mm, 45, 380, 357 SIG.

    Keg-wise, Unique is the cheapest by the pound and keg price. HP38/W231 has the lowest overall charge weight average and the cheapest Cost per Case price. I thought Unique would have it for sure, but I was wrong.

    However, buying a drum of Accurate #5 is the way to go for efficiency across the board and price. Usable for my loads except for 40 135gr and the 10mm 180gr. Largest buy in price but with shipping and haz mat fees it's the cheapest per pound price and cost per case price. Average case would cost barely over $12, just a mere 83 cents per case over the HP38/W231 cost per case.

    In these times where money is everything and we all need to watch our spending habits, spending 2-3 beers worth of time analyzing powder consumption and prices might save us a few pennies when we badly need them. Using a powder that is economical and versatile is in our best interest sometimes. These powders will work in loads for all the calibers above, except the .380 is a picky SOB and I use nothing faster than W231 in it.

    That's all. Carry on.
  • #2
    Revoman
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 2393

    Good information! Thanks for the insight.

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    • #3
      bruceflinch
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2006
      • 40141

      Now I'll add another factor.
      Unique is dirtier burning than W231 & requires more time to clean the gun. Time is money! ( I use both Unique & W231. )
      Where does the AA#5 fall in w/ the "dirt factor"?
      Actually I only started collecting Milsurps 3 years ago. I think I might own about 24...They're cheaper than guns that will most likely never get the opportunity to kill somebody...

      I belong to the group that uses firearms, and knows which bathroom to use.

      Tis better to have Trolled & lost, Than to never have Trolled, at all.

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      • #4
        freakshow10mm
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 3061

        A shot of Hoppe's Elite foam and two passes with a boresnake get my gun clean with any of the above powders. I've never spent more than 5-10 minutes cleaning a gun ever. Simply never needed it.

        #5 is pretty clean. WSF is an often overlooked powder that is very well at home with any of the standard cartridges like 9/40/10/45. It is better than all listed powders with lead.

        #5 was formulated specifically for the 45 ACP. I really like Accurate powders for pistol (never tried rifle). I've used #5 and #9, latter being for the 10mm and 357 Mag. They meter like water which is good and is very consistent charge to charge through a powder measure.

        Charge weights will be more with #5 than other powders but buying in large quantity helps keep the cost down. The average charge per case for the given powders is 7gr #5, 5.8gr Unique, 5.7gr WSF, 4.9gr W231, and 7.9gr Longshot, max loads with all then averaged for worst case. Longshot is reformulated HS7 for cleaner burn and denser for less charge weight.

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        • #5
          sargenv
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2005
          • 4620

          Something to think of in the background is that Accurate powders utilize actual Cotton as their base, I know that the Alliant powders utilize Sawdust as their base. Some say that the Cotton cellulose based powders burncleaner, and if that appears to be the case with the Accurate brand over the other manufacturers, it might hold some water.

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          • #6
            mike100
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2006
            • 2507

            I'm always on the lookout for a powder that works for 12 ga loads and general pistol applications. I use WST and Unique a lot right now. I can get WST at $120 for 8lbs in my hands delivered- powder charge is light so I guess I'd have to work up the difference with Unique at $105 per 8 lbs.

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            • #7
              sargenv
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 4620

              In my case, it is known that I'll take anything that any of my friends either won't use anymore, or no longer have a use for, so that means I tend to get lots of powder at a discount and sometimes for free. When I purchase powder, usually I get something that works for a specific load and then get enough of it to last me at least one shooting season (usually between 10-15k rounds). I've worked my way through Titegroup, Ramshot Competition, and now am working on using up my supply of Solo 1000, next will likely be the free can of American Select.. and likely after that will be some 700x. My situation is a bit different in that I mainly shoot only mouse fart power factor 40 cal loads in a revolver, or the same mouse fart minor loads in a 627 and usually I can utilize the same powder for both.

              It does make sense to utilize a medium burn powder when loading all of the calibers the OP loads for. In most cases, pistol powders from fast to slow can be utilized in some way to load for 12 gauge. There are even light target loads for Bullseye in the 12.

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              • #8
                ar15barrels
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 57168

                Originally posted by sargenv
                In my case, it is known that I'll take anything that any of my friends either won't use anymore, or no longer have a use for, so that means I tend to get lots of powder at a discount and sometimes for free.


                I take unwanted primers, brass and bullets too!
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                • #9
                  bruceflinch
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 40141

                  Originally posted by sargenv
                  Some say that the Cotton cellulose based powders burncleaner, and if that appears to be the case with the Accurate brand over the other manufacturers, it might hold some water.
                  VINCE! Didn't you ever hear of "Keep Your Powder Dry???


                  Thanks for the info, Freakshow!
                  Actually I only started collecting Milsurps 3 years ago. I think I might own about 24...They're cheaper than guns that will most likely never get the opportunity to kill somebody...

                  I belong to the group that uses firearms, and knows which bathroom to use.

                  Tis better to have Trolled & lost, Than to never have Trolled, at all.

                  Secret Club Member?.

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                  • #10
                    Seesm
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 7812

                    I will also take old powder, bullets, primers and brass. If it is free it is for me!!

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