Wolf Military Classic VS. Polyformance ?

[hylander]

Which is better ?
I ordered 9mm Military Classic and they sent me Polyformance.
Should I send it back ?
Mine is the Black Box stuff.

[97F1504RAD]

Not sure there really is much of a difference. I have never been able to figure it out. The only thing is maybe the Classic Military has a sealant on it whereas the Poly does not. And i think the Classic Mil is closer to Miltary specs.

[ar15barrels]

And i think the Classic Mil is closer to Miltary specs.

I wonder what military specs it's closer to, the french perhaps?

[97F1504RAD]

I wonder what military specs it's closer to, the french perhaps?

That i do not know. I am just saying what I have read when researching it myself. Besides if they did it to French Specs the ammo would not go BANG!

[ar15barrels]

That i do not know.

Wolf ammo is generally loaded to much lower pressure/velocity than traditional brass cased commercial ammo.
It's so much so that it causes short-stroking problems in many guns.
Wolf ammo and lack of lubrication are the two main causes of short stroking in AR's.

[hylander]

Wolf ammo is generally loaded to much lower pressure/velocity than traditional brass cased commercial ammo.
It's so much so that it causes short-stroking problems in many guns.
Wolf ammo and lack of lubrication are the two main causes of short stroking in AR's.

That seems odd:
I have fired Wolf 223 in two Bolt guns and the pressures were very high, enough to cause the bolts to stick and rupture the case necks.
I beleive that wolf specs say the 9mm velocity is 1150fps, which is
the norm for 9mm.

[MontClaire]

wolf military classic are rejects from regular wolf load. they still fire but 17 out of 20 and you never know which one's.

[ar15barrels]

I have fired Wolf 223 in two Bolt guns and the pressures were very high, enough to cause the bolts to stick and rupture the case necks.

Pressure does not cause this problem.
That's probably related to the steel case not agreeing with the specific chamber of that rifle.

I suspect there's more to this story that we are not hearing.

[hylander]

Pressure does not cause this problem.
That's probably related to the steel case not agreeing with the specific chamber of that rifle.

I suspect there's more to this story that we are not hearing.

The rest of the story is:
T/C Contender 14" 1:12
Savage 12FP 1:9
CZ-527 1:9
Mini-14 1:8

All new firearms with only a few hundred rds. down the tubes before the Wolf .223 was fired.
Same issue with each, so it is not the Firearms, it is most
definatley the Ammo.
However I have fired hundreds of rds. of 7.62X39 in several SKS's without a single issue

Also high pressure can and does often cause this problem.

[ar15barrels]

The rest of the story is:
T/C Contender 14" 1:12
Savage 12FP 1:9
CZ-527 1:9
Mini-14 1:8

All new firearms with only a few hundred rds. down the tubes before the Wolf .223 was fired.
Same issue with each, so it is not the Firearms, it is most
definatley the Ammo.

Sounds like you got a bad batch.
It's pretty rare to run into pressure problems with Wolf 223.

[hylander]

Sounds like you got a bad batch.
It's pretty rare to run into pressure problems with Wolf 223.

Thats what I'm thinking, I forgot to mention it was all from the same batch
I have not fired any Wolf .223 since.
I'm just curious of Wolf 9mm Polyformance and was wondering about the performance I might expect, never used any of their handgun ammo, but this is inexpensive and I figured I might as well give it a try for Range Fodder.

[97F1504RAD]

I have never had any issues with WOLF ammo in either my rifles or handguns.

[Cminor]

Which is better ?
I ordered 9mm Military Classic and they sent me Polyformance.
Should I send it back ?
Mine is the Black Box stuff.

Black box Wolf is made in Tula, while MC is from a different manufacture site (I can not recall the name) in Russia.

MC has sealant between the case and bullet in addition to the one on primer.

[97F1504RAD]

But the sealant is only on the 7.62x39 and 5.45x39

[Cminor]

But the sealant is only on the 7.62x39 and 5.45x39

You are right about the sealant.