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**ar15barrels** · 09-21-2009, 2:52 PM

Bump this thread around 9:30 tonight and I'll look to see if it's listed in quickload.

**pdq_wizzard** · 09-21-2009, 8:16 PM

Originally posted by ar15barrels

Bump this thread around 9:30 tonight and I'll look to see if it's listed in quickload.

Randall, I am heading to bed so I am going to bump now.

and thanks !

**ar15barrels** · 09-22-2009, 9:11 AM

My old quickload stops at 204.
Is 205 a newer powder?

I just got the latest QL update, but I have not installed it yet.

**J-cat** · 09-22-2009, 9:24 AM

Speer manuals 8 and 9 have data for n205

30/06 24 " bbl
180 gr SP
n205 59.0-63.0 grs,2633-2815 fps

Can someone confirm?

**ar15barrels** · 09-22-2009, 10:13 AM

I just found this:

Looks like Norma N205 might be Rottweil R905.
I'll look for that tonight if someone bumps this thread later tonight to remind me...

**J-cat** · 09-22-2009, 11:09 AM

My QL says that 63 grains of R905 generates 61000 PSI in the 30-06. 59gr makes 48000 PSI, 60gr makes 51000 PSI, 61gr makes 54000 PSI, 62gr makes 57000. So, it may be that N205 is R905.

**ar15barrels** · 09-22-2009, 3:54 PM

Originally posted by pdq_wizzard

anyone have an idea where I can find data for 30.06 (205 might be to slow) or .243?

ok, what bullets.
If jcat's QL has it, mine must too...

**pdq_wizzard** · 09-22-2009, 4:25 PM

Originally posted by ar15barrels

ok, what bullets.
If jcat's QL has it, mine must too...

80 to 100 gr on the 243

and 180 + on the .06

I will start low and work up.

thanks!

**ar15barrels** · 09-22-2009, 4:45 PM

Originally posted by pdq_wizzard

80 to 100 gr on the 243

and 180 + on the .06

I will start low and work up.

thanks!

Need more specific details, like an exact bullet.
Sierra 165gr gameking #2140 , Nosler 180gr partition #16331 etc...

**ar15barrels** · 09-22-2009, 8:22 PM

Originally posted by J-cat

Can someone confirm?

I don't think you could get 63gr in the case under a 180gr bullet.
QL predicts that load to fill the case to 112%.

r905 appears to be too slow and bulky to be used with 180gr bullets in the 30-06.
It would probably be a good magnum powder.

**pdq_wizzard** · 09-22-2009, 8:51 PM

Originally posted by ar15barrels

Need more specific details, like an exact bullet.
Sierra 165gr gameking #2140 , Nosler 180gr partition #16331 etc...

Randall,

here are some of what I am looking to load

30.06
Nosler 200gr Partition RN

Sierra 165gr Spizter #2145 (might be to light)

.243
Nosler 100gr Partition Spizter

Sierra 85gr #1520

I have seen that one could use the same load info as Norma MRP, but I was looking to get some info so I could cross reference .....

and again thanks for you help with this....

I just hope I don't come up with a load that I like and can't find (or make this one lb last) later.

**ar15barrels** · 09-22-2009, 9:06 PM

Code:

Cartridge          : .243 Win.
Bullet             : .243, 85, Sierra SP 1520
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch or 68.83 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder             : Rottweil R905

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.515% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-05.2   98    46.00   3012    1712   45871  10762     92.3    1.231
-04.6   99    46.25   3030    1733   46713  10828     92.6    1.221
-04.1   99    46.50   3048    1754   47572  10893     92.9    1.211
-03.6  100    46.75   3066    1774   48450  10957     93.3    1.201
-03.1  100    47.00   3084    1795   49345  11020     93.6    1.191
-02.6  101    47.25   3102    1816   50257  11081     93.8    1.181
-02.1  102    47.50   3120    1838   51190  11142     94.1    1.172  ! Near Maximum !
-01.5  102    47.75   3138    1859   52142  11202     94.4    1.162  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  103    48.00   3156    1880   53111  11260     94.7    1.153  ! Near Maximum !
-00.5  103    48.25   3175    1902   54103  11317     95.0    1.143  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  104    48.50   3193    1924   55114  11373     95.2    1.134  ! Near Maximum !
+00.5  104    48.75   3211    1946   56142  11428     95.5    1.124  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  105    49.00   3229    1968   57189  11481     95.7    1.115  ! Near Maximum !
+01.5  105    49.25   3247    1990   58254  11534     96.0    1.106  ! Near Maximum !
+02.1  106    49.50   3265    2012   59339  11585     96.2    1.097  ! Near Maximum !
+02.6  106    49.75   3283    2035   60446  11634     96.4    1.088  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by � 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    104    48.50   3291    2044   60989  11501     97.8    1.085  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    104    48.50   3082    1793   49409  11094     91.6    1.189

Code:

Cartridge          : .243 Win.
Bullet             : .243, 100, Nosler PART SP 35642
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch or 68.83 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder             : Rottweil R905

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.549% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-05.5   95    43.00   2805    1748   44969  10669     93.9    1.323
-04.9   96    43.25   2823    1769   45821  10735     94.2    1.311
-04.4   96    43.50   2840    1791   46692  10800     94.5    1.300
-03.8   97    43.75   2857    1813   47577  10864     94.8    1.289
-03.3   97    44.00   2875    1835   48477  10927     95.1    1.278
-02.7   98    44.25   2892    1857   49393  10989     95.3    1.267
-02.2   99    44.50   2909    1879   50325  11049     95.6    1.257
-01.6   99    44.75   2926    1902   51273  11109     95.8    1.246  ! Near Maximum !
-01.1  100    45.00   2944    1924   52238  11167     96.1    1.235  ! Near Maximum !
-00.5  100    45.25   2961    1947   53222  11223     96.3    1.225  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  101    45.50   2978    1970   54225  11279     96.6    1.215  ! Near Maximum !
+00.5  101    45.75   2996    1993   55248  11333     96.8    1.205  ! Near Maximum !
+01.1  102    46.00   3013    2016   56292  11386     97.0    1.194  ! Near Maximum !
+01.6  102    46.25   3030    2039   57357  11437     97.2    1.184  ! Near Maximum !
+02.2  103    46.50   3048    2062   58442  11487     97.4    1.174  ! Near Maximum !
+02.7  104    46.75   3065    2086   59550  11536     97.6    1.165  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by � 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    101    45.50   3065    2086   59863  11338     98.7    1.164  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    101    45.50   2880    1842   48661  11068     93.3    1.273

**ar15barrels** · 09-22-2009, 9:10 PM

Code:

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 200, Nosler PART SP 35626
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder             : Rottweil R905

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.424% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-04.2  105    56.50   2545    2876   49429   9448     94.1    1.316
-03.8  106    56.75   2557    2904   50189   9491     94.4    1.307
-03.4  106    57.00   2570    2932   50960   9534     94.6    1.298
-03.0  107    57.25   2582    2961   51747   9576     94.8    1.289  ! Near Maximum !
-02.5  107    57.50   2595    2990   52544   9617     95.0    1.281  ! Near Maximum !
-02.1  108    57.75   2607    3018   53362   9658     95.2    1.272  ! Near Maximum !
-01.7  108    58.00   2620    3047   54191   9698     95.4    1.263  ! Near Maximum !
-01.3  108    58.25   2632    3077   55035   9737     95.6    1.254  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8  109    58.50   2645    3106   55895   9776     95.8    1.246  ! Near Maximum !
-00.4  109    58.75   2657    3136   56770   9814     95.9    1.237  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  110    59.00   2670    3165   57661   9852     96.1    1.229  ! Near Maximum !
+00.4  110    59.25   2682    3195   58568   9888     96.3    1.220  ! Near Maximum !
+00.8  111    59.50   2695    3225   59492   9924     96.5    1.212  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.3  111    59.75   2707    3255   60429   9959     96.7    1.203  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.7  112    60.00   2720    3286   61392   9994     96.8    1.195  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.1  112    60.25   2733    3316   62369  10027     97.0    1.187  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by � 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    110    59.00   2748    3354   64072   9894     98.4    1.177  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    110    59.00   2580    2956   51753   9673     92.7    1.287  ! Near Maximum !

Take note of the case fill percentage:

Code:

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 165, Sierra SPBT 2145
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder             : Rottweil R905

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.391% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-03.9  108    61.50   2774    2818   48688   9778     91.3    1.217
-03.5  108    61.75   2787    2845   49395   9825     91.5    1.209
-03.1  109    62.00   2800    2872   50117   9870     91.8    1.201
-02.7  109    62.25   2813    2899   50849   9916     92.0    1.193
-02.3  109    62.50   2826    2926   51594   9960     92.3    1.186  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  110    62.75   2839    2954   52351  10004     92.5    1.178  ! Near Maximum !
-01.6  110    63.00   2853    2981   53120  10048     92.7    1.170  ! Near Maximum !
-01.2  111    63.25   2866    3009   53908  10091     93.0    1.162  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8  111    63.50   2879    3037   54705  10133     93.2    1.155  ! Near Maximum !
-00.4  112    63.75   2892    3065   55519  10175     93.4    1.147  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  112    64.00   2906    3093   56345  10216     93.6    1.140  ! Near Maximum !
+00.4  112    64.25   2919    3121   57187  10257     93.8    1.132  ! Near Maximum !
+00.8  113    64.50   2932    3150   58043  10297     94.0    1.125  ! Near Maximum !
+01.2  113    64.75   2946    3179   58914  10336     94.3    1.117  ! Near Maximum !
+01.6  114    65.00   2959    3208   59803  10375     94.5    1.110  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  114    65.25   2972    3237   60706  10413     94.7    1.102  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by � 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    112    64.00   3000    3297   62527  10369     96.7    1.090  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    112    64.00   2800    2872   50641   9927     89.6    1.195

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