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  • Flying Bones
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    • Dec 2008
    • 1419

    Help! Smooshed "shoulder" on .223 case

    I'm new to reloading...just started.

    *EDIT* "When loading the rounds into the AR" my case is "smooshing" or compressing at the shoulder, this is obvious by the slight bulging near the body side of the case.

    I don't want to taint your thoughts so I'll hold back what my little experience leads me to beleive is wrong.
    Last edited by Flying Bones; 08-23-2009, 10:40 AM.
    Originally posted by Aleksei Vasiliev
    What's the best way to turn a black glock pink?
    Originally posted by huck
    You still can't wear it in the parade.


    Lord, protect me from my friends. I can handle my enemies.
  • #2
    Gunsrruss
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 1488

    When ?????

    While your sizing and decaping or when your seating the bullet???? These are things we must know....
    I won't be wronged
    I won't be insulted
    And I won't be laid a hand on.
    I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.....John Wayne

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    • #3
      SLO_Ryan
      Member
      • May 2009
      • 296

      Please post pictures of the smooshed case

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      • #4
        Fjold
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Oct 2005
        • 22917

        It's probably that your seating die is adjusted down to low. The case mouth is hitting the the inside of the die where the crimp is and pushing the case mouth back compressing the case and bulging it at the shoulder.

        Loosen the lock ring of the die and unscrew the die a couple of turns. Place an empty shell in the shell holder and raise the ram all the way. Screw the die down until you feel it touch the case. Now unscrew the die one whole turn and lock the ring.

        Resize an empty case, prime it, charge it, start a bullet and keep adjusting the seating plug down until you get the OAL length right.
        Frank

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        • #5
          bohoki
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 20815

          did they look like this

          this was the result of my first batch of 223s and i was so confused but then someone told me i was using too much lube

          hasn't happened since

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          • #6
            joelogic
            Calguns Addict
            • May 2008
            • 6593

            Lubing is the art part to reloading. Thats why I like it so much. Half science, Half Art.
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            • #7
              Seesm
              Calguns Addict
              • Nov 2008
              • 7812

              Bones I would say the dies are set too low... I had the probem and a little adjustment and all is good. What lube are you using as well...?

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              • #8
                Flying Bones
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                • Dec 2008
                • 1419

                I bet this would help...
                It happens when i'm loading the rounds in the AR. The bolt isn't even making it all the way home. OAL is 2.25

                That's what I get for posting whilst running out the door.
                Last edited by Flying Bones; 08-22-2009, 7:20 PM.
                Originally posted by Aleksei Vasiliev
                What's the best way to turn a black glock pink?
                Originally posted by huck
                You still can't wear it in the parade.


                Lord, protect me from my friends. I can handle my enemies.

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                • #9
                  Beelzy
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 9224

                  Re-adjust the sizing die, and don't lube the shoulder of the case. It wouldn't
                  be a bad idea to use a paperclip or pin to clean the tiny hole on the side of the die as well. It probably has lube gumming it up.
                  "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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                  • #10
                    Flying Bones
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 1419

                    Originally posted by Beelzy
                    Re-adjust the sizing die, and don't lube the shoulder of the case. It wouldn't
                    be a bad idea to use a paperclip or pin to clean the tiny hole on the side of the die as well. It probably has lube gumming it up.
                    It happens when loading the rounds into the AR
                    Originally posted by Aleksei Vasiliev
                    What's the best way to turn a black glock pink?
                    Originally posted by huck
                    You still can't wear it in the parade.


                    Lord, protect me from my friends. I can handle my enemies.

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                    • #11
                      Blue
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 8069

                      Are you riding the bolt home or letting it slam? Did you clean the lube off of your reloads yet? Somethin stuck in the chamber?
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                      Let my aim be true and my hand faster
                      than those who would seek to destroy me.
                      Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
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                      • #12
                        Flying Bones
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 1419

                        Originally posted by Blue
                        Are you riding the bolt home or letting it slam? Did you clean the lube off of your reloads yet? Somethin stuck in the chamber?
                        I cleaned the lube off...
                        I rode the bolt home and let it slam. When I would ride it home, the bolt didn't go all the way forward so I let it slam, it still didn't make it all the way in. The slamming caused the "smoosh." So the problem is the bolt isn't closing in. I'm perplexed.
                        Originally posted by Aleksei Vasiliev
                        What's the best way to turn a black glock pink?
                        Originally posted by huck
                        You still can't wear it in the parade.


                        Lord, protect me from my friends. I can handle my enemies.

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                        • #13
                          sargenv
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 4620

                          It appears that these are caused by the firing process. Personally I'd size em, load em, and the get a case gauge to make sure they would fit that. if they still had the dent and they case gauged ok, I'd fire them as is since the firing of said cases will cause the cases to "fire form" to the chamber walls. I'd then pick em back up, inspect them and if deemed to be reloadable, proceed to go through the loading process again. Repeat 3 to 5 times then scrap em. Cases get dented and beat up when going into or coming out of a semi auto. You likely would not have this issue in a bolt gun.

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                          • #14
                            Beelzy
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 9224

                            Feedramps on barrel and receiver don't match?
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                            • #15
                              ar15barrels
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                              • Jan 2006
                              • 57116

                              Originally posted by Flying Bones
                              "When loading the rounds into the AR" my case is "smooshing" or compressing at the shoulder, this is obvious by the slight bulging near the body side of the case.
                              Post a picture.
                              Are these fired cases?
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