whats wrong with wolf ammo?

[RANDO]

whats so wrong with wolf ammo and steel cased ammo? does it ruin the gun or barrel maybe the firing pin?

[Huzar]

whats so wrong with wolf ammo and steel cased ammo? does it ruin the gun or barrel maybe the firing pin?

steel case.. bad on most extractors.. poor quality.. Btw.. great for russian guns

[jptsr1]

whats so wrong with wolf ammo and steel cased ammo? does it ruin the gun or barrel maybe the firing pin?

i hope nothing. i've been shooting it for years and have over 6k rounds of it in my garage right now. never had a problem out of the ordinary. its a bit dirty and somewhat flashy but when i cant find WWB i shoot it all day long.

[joelogic]

Who say's there is something wrong with it? The internet people? How could it ruin anything? The old laquer stuff would build up in the chamber but the new stuff is fine.

[DiscoBayJoe]

Wolf 7.62x39 works great in my AK! Wolf 9mm works great in my TEC-9 (better than WWB, actually!). I've not tried it in the AR. They say it's dirty.... when I go and pop off 500 rounds, no matter WHAT I shoot it's dirty.

[Triple R Munitions]

if they say that wolf is bad ammo, then how come they are selling so much of it?

[Timberwolf]

if they say that wolf is bad ammo, then how come they are selling so much of it?

because its cheap - like everything else in life, you get what you pay for

[steven_m64]

Another recent thread on the ammo

this topic comes up a good number of times and will probably come up more and more with ammo prices as they are.

the ammo may not be that accurate but its perfectly fine ammo to shoot.

and i believe i managed to pin down the cause of the one and only bad problem i had with the ammo to a slightly weak extractor spring, i just hope the new parts i ordered arrive before the next range trip.

[Triple R Munitions]

yeah, you get what you pay for. but if your looking for semi decent plinking ammo, shoot it up.

when they say the steel is bad for extractors, i would aggree. steel-on-steel is not the best thing. but i would imagine they at least temper the steel to make it "softer". would have to do a hardness test on it....

[emtnsocali]

ive put about 1000 rounds of wolf 62gr FMJ 5.56 through my spikes tactical 16" upper with no problems. its not the most accurate stuff and is a little dirty have not had any problems at all. my friend has a stag arms 16" upper and hes had all kinda of extractor problems. id say for the price buy a couple of boxes if your gun likes it use it......

[gld45]

Shoots just fine in colts, kimbers and glocks, and the mini 14 seems fine with it. There is more residue left than some more expensive stuff, but somewhere on this site there is a post about the steel case not expanding as fully as brass in the chamber and there being more blow by fouling. The only problem I ever encountered with it was years ago with the older coating and my KBI HP copy. The key word is shoot, and it does that just fine and the price is right.

[AEC1]

Only thing wrong with it is I am out, and it aint as cheap as it used to be...

[97F1504RAD]

i hope nothing. i've been shooting it for years and have over 6k rounds of it in my garage right now. never had a problem out of the ordinary. its a bit dirty and somewhat flashy but when i cant find WWB i shoot it all day long.

I agree 100%

[cassius]

whats so wrong with wolf ammo and steel cased ammo? does it ruin the gun or barrel maybe the firing pin?

Nothing, and No. Next question.

What's 'wrong' with it is too many people don't have a clue about its origins / history or its proper use and application. And when they run into trouble they blame the ammo, when it's user error.

Just go to the Wolf company site, the wiki entry, and someplace like the Ammo Oracle at AR15, All Shall Be Revealed.

[cassius]

Here, this is from a general discussion topic where a guy wanted to blame ammoman for his own shopping mistake -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Ammunition

Steel cases
Despite popular misconception, steel-cased ammunition does not increase wear on the chamber or extractor of firearms. This is because the steel used in cartridge cases is mild steel which is very soft in comparison to the type of steel used in firearm components. Also, steel cases are often given a thin coating of lacquer or polymer, so there is no direct steel-to-steel contact with the chamber. The only disadvantage to using steel cases is that steel is not as "elastic" as brass, and therefore does not create as efficient a gas seal when a round is fired.

Steel-jacketed bullets
Not only the cases of Wolf rifle ammo are steel. Most of Wolf's rifle cartridges use steel jacketed bullets, though they look like copper jacketed. The copper exterior of the bullet is only about .005 inch thick, (about twice the thickness of a sheet of paper) with a steel jacket underneath about 1/32 inch thick. Only the cartridges in the yellow and black boxes have real copper jackets. The core of the steel jacketeted bullets, sometimes marked "bimetal", are lead. Some rifle ranges have started magnet testing shooter's ammunition to determine if bullets are steel jacketed. The steel is said to be more likely to ricochet, and also to cause sparks on impact, which can be a problem when shooting in dry grassland, or forest areas. In addition, a large majority of pistol ranges will not allow shooters to use Wolf, or other Russian ammunition types because of the steel jacket components on many of their products. The reason cited for this is because they claim it damages the backstops.

I posted elsewhere but I can't find it right now. Wolf ammo came into being from the ruins of the Soviet Empire. A russian entrepenuer went to the owners of the former Comm-Bloc ammo factories in eastern europe, shortly after the Iron Curtain fell. He bought those factories and the people that used to work in them and they fired them right up again, producing the same exact lacquered mild steel / mild steel ammo they'd always been producing for Comm-Bloc weapons.
Then a few years later, in the early 90s, Wolf branched out and started offering ammo for western arms. And that's when they ran into trouble. Trouble with tighter western manufacturing specs / rifle chambers. Trouble with lacquered ammo. Trouble with steel cases, steel bullets.

Within a few years they had these things worked out, for the most part. A shooter has to be cognizant of what arm they are using and what type of ammo they are putting in it. Know the combinations that work and don't work. And if you stick within those parameters, you won't have Wolf ammo sticking in anything.