9mm xtp clays load question

[aguynamedbryan]

Hey guys, been a while since I've reloaded and I wanted to make up some sd rounds. I bought some 9mm 115 grn XTP projectiles and was going to use my hodgdon clays powder. Hodgdons chart for speer gold dot hollow points show a starting and max powder load of 3.7 and 3.9.

Is it foolish to reload with that narrow of a spread?

Also my clays powder was opened a while back but has been in a cabinet in the garage for a year+, any idea how that would affect reliability? How about my other unopened container?

[NeilMo]

IME, Clays is a very poor choice for loading SD ammo. Too fast a burn rate to get the velocity needed for proper expansion. Also, the Gold-Dot and XTP are two very different bullets when it comes to load data. The GD is typically loaded longer and has a concave base which allows for higher powder charges. I'd be looking for better suited powders for SD and save the Clays for plinking rounds. Power Pistol, BE-86, AA#5, AA#7, HS6, True Blue, Autocomp, CFE Pistol or Silhouette would work much better for your needs.

[kcstott]

Hey guys, been a while since I've reloaded and I wanted to make up some sd rounds. I bought some 9mm 115 grn XTP projectiles and was going to use my hodgdon clays powder. Hodgdons chart for speer gold dot hollow points show a starting and max powder load of 3.7 and 3.9.

Is it foolish to reload with that narrow of a spread?

Also my clays powder was opened a while back but has been in a cabinet in the garage for a year+, any idea how that would affect reliability? How about my other unopened container?

Thats just one manuals data,
3-3.8gr would be fine in a 115 gr bullet, as mentioned clay is very fast burning powder and would function well in short barreled pistols.

As to the age and exposure to humidity. There have been more than a few tests conducted by people in the bench rest hall of fame. The conclusion is there is no discernible change in powder burn rate and velocity in powders kept anywhere between 30% & 80% humidity for more that a few years. These tests were done on powder kept in original factory containers using Kestral spots to monitor humidity levels.

[aguynamedbryan]

Thank you both for the information!

[ar15barrels]

Hey guys, been a while since I've reloaded and I wanted to make up some sd rounds. I bought some 9mm 115 grn XTP projectiles and was going to use my hodgdon clays powder. Hodgdons chart for speer gold dot hollow points show a starting and max powder load of 3.7 and 3.9.

Is it foolish to reload with that narrow of a spread?

Also my clays powder was opened a while back but has been in a cabinet in the garage for a year+, any idea how that would affect reliability? How about my other unopened container?

I'll trade you your clays pound-for-pound for some universal clays which would be a much better powder for more velocity with your XTP's.

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 115, Hornady HP/XTP 35540
Useable Case Capaci: 9.437 grain H2O = 0.613 cm?
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 4.0 inch = 101.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon Clays

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 3.03% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-30.3   55     2.30    808     167   15824   2150    100.0    0.609
-27.3   58     2.40    829     176   16994   2231    100.0    0.589
-24.2   60     2.50    850     184   18205   2311    100.0    0.571
-21.2   62     2.60    870     193   19455   2392    100.0    0.554
-18.2   65     2.70    890     202   20746   2472    100.0    0.538
-15.2   67     2.80    909     211   22077   2552    100.0    0.523
-12.1   70     2.90    929     220   23448   2632    100.0    0.509
-09.1   72     3.00    947     229   24860   2712    100.0    0.495
-06.1   74     3.10    966     238   26313   2791    100.0    0.482
-03.0   77     3.20    984     247   27807   2870    100.0    0.470
+00.0   79     3.30   1002     256   29344   2949    100.0    0.459
+03.0   82     3.40   1019     265   30922   3027    100.0    0.448  ! Near Maximum !
+06.1   84     3.50   1037     274   32544   3105    100.0    0.438  ! Near Maximum !
+09.1   86     3.60   1054     284   34209   3183    100.0    0.428  ! Near Maximum !
+12.1   89     3.70   1071     293   35917   3261    100.0    0.419  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+15.2   91     3.80   1088     302   37671   3338    100.0    0.411  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 115, Hornady HP/XTP 35540
Useable Case Capaci: 9.437 grain H2O = 0.613 cm?
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 4.0 inch = 101.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon Universal

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   72     4.00    979     245   18689   4078     98.0    0.552
-18.0   73     4.10    999     255   19640   4179     98.5    0.540
-16.0   75     4.20   1018     265   20624   4276     98.9    0.528
-14.0   77     4.30   1037     275   21641   4370     99.2    0.517
-12.0   79     4.40   1057     285   22692   4460     99.5    0.506
-10.0   80     4.50   1075     295   23777   4547     99.7    0.494
-08.0   82     4.60   1094     306   24897   4629     99.9    0.483
-06.0   84     4.70   1112     316   26054   4708    100.0    0.472
-04.0   86     4.80   1130     326   27247   4783    100.0    0.462
-02.0   88     4.90   1148     337   28479   4855    100.0    0.452
+00.0   89     5.00   1166     347   29749   4926    100.0    0.442
+02.0   91     5.10   1183     358   31057   4997    100.0    0.433  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0   93     5.20   1201     368   32409   5068    100.0    0.424  ! Near Maximum !
+06.0   95     5.30   1218     379   33801   5138    100.0    0.416  ! Near Maximum !
+08.0   97     5.40   1234     389   35236   5208    100.0    0.407  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0   98     5.50   1251     400   36715   5278    100.0    0.400  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO

[aguynamedbryan]

I'll trade you your clays pound-for-pound for some universal clays which would be a much better powder for more velocity with your XTP's.

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 115, Hornady HP/XTP 35540
Useable Case Capaci: 9.437 grain H2O = 0.613 cm?
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 4.0 inch = 101.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon Clays

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 3.03% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-30.3   55     2.30    808     167   15824   2150    100.0    0.609
-27.3   58     2.40    829     176   16994   2231    100.0    0.589
-24.2   60     2.50    850     184   18205   2311    100.0    0.571
-21.2   62     2.60    870     193   19455   2392    100.0    0.554
-18.2   65     2.70    890     202   20746   2472    100.0    0.538
-15.2   67     2.80    909     211   22077   2552    100.0    0.523
-12.1   70     2.90    929     220   23448   2632    100.0    0.509
-09.1   72     3.00    947     229   24860   2712    100.0    0.495
-06.1   74     3.10    966     238   26313   2791    100.0    0.482
-03.0   77     3.20    984     247   27807   2870    100.0    0.470
+00.0   79     3.30   1002     256   29344   2949    100.0    0.459
+03.0   82     3.40   1019     265   30922   3027    100.0    0.448  ! Near Maximum !
+06.1   84     3.50   1037     274   32544   3105    100.0    0.438  ! Near Maximum !
+09.1   86     3.60   1054     284   34209   3183    100.0    0.428  ! Near Maximum !
+12.1   89     3.70   1071     293   35917   3261    100.0    0.419  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+15.2   91     3.80   1088     302   37671   3338    100.0    0.411  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 115, Hornady HP/XTP 35540
Useable Case Capaci: 9.437 grain H2O = 0.613 cm?
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 4.0 inch = 101.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon Universal

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   72     4.00    979     245   18689   4078     98.0    0.552
-18.0   73     4.10    999     255   19640   4179     98.5    0.540
-16.0   75     4.20   1018     265   20624   4276     98.9    0.528
-14.0   77     4.30   1037     275   21641   4370     99.2    0.517
-12.0   79     4.40   1057     285   22692   4460     99.5    0.506
-10.0   80     4.50   1075     295   23777   4547     99.7    0.494
-08.0   82     4.60   1094     306   24897   4629     99.9    0.483
-06.0   84     4.70   1112     316   26054   4708    100.0    0.472
-04.0   86     4.80   1130     326   27247   4783    100.0    0.462
-02.0   88     4.90   1148     337   28479   4855    100.0    0.452
+00.0   89     5.00   1166     347   29749   4926    100.0    0.442
+02.0   91     5.10   1183     358   31057   4997    100.0    0.433  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0   93     5.20   1201     368   32409   5068    100.0    0.424  ! Near Maximum !
+06.0   95     5.30   1218     379   33801   5138    100.0    0.416  ! Near Maximum !
+08.0   97     5.40   1234     389   35236   5208    100.0    0.407  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0   98     5.50   1251     400   36715   5278    100.0    0.400  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO

Thanks - where are you located?

I'm trying to learn as I get back into this and am wondering if the faster burn rate from clays would be better for the 3" hellcat or P365 I want to use it in?

Chatgpt has only been mildly helpful so far, lol.


Oh also - I've seen the load data format that you posted from my earlier reloading days - what was the website/software you use for this?

[rsrocket1]

At first thought, you'd think a faster powder would work better with a shorter barreled gun because it will burn completely sooner, but that is not the case. A medium rate powder like Universal/Unique/W231/HP38 is a better choice in both a 5 inch gun and a 3 inch gun. At 3 inches, the pressure of the gas is around 6,000 psi or 20% of max pressure and 50% of the pressure at 1.5 inches. At 5 inches, the pressure will be about 1500 psi. To give you perspective, initiation pressure or the pressure needed to start the bullet moving in the case is around 2,000 psi so the pressure at the muzzle with a medium speed powder has dropped to about the same as the force you use to seat the bullet.

If more of a slower burning powder works better in a longer barrel pistol than less of a faster burning powder, it will also work better (more MV) in a shorter barreled pistol. There are limits. A very slow burning pistol powder will cause a lot of muzzle flash in a shorter barrel pistol as well as potential flame cutting of the top strap in an alloy revolver frame.

[eaglemike]

You'll want to be sure to match all components especially when using a fast powder like Clays. Pressures go up quickly with a fast powder like Clays. If the bullet is seated deeper than the manual specifies that can cause pressure to go up quite a bit.
As noted above, a slightly slower powder can be more forgiving. AA5, Universal, Unique, stuff like that is slower, works well in 9mm, and several other pistol calibers. Some have used even slower powders for maximum performance. Lots of commercial reloaders use the faster powders because they get more loads per pound of powder, and those can be "powder-puff" loads that don't reliably function a pistol.
I almost said "is more forgiving" but there's several variables, and you don't want to take anything for granted.
Good luck!

[ar15barrels]

Thanks - where are you located?

I'm trying to learn as I get back into this and am wondering if the faster burn rate from clays would be better for the 3" hellcat or P365 I want to use it in?

Chatgpt has only been mildly helpful so far, lol.


Oh also - I've seen the load data format that you posted from my earlier reloading days - what was the website/software you use for this?

The data above is a quickload simulation.
It's NOT tested data.
It's only a computer simulation.

Here are the same two simulations with a 3" barrel instead of 4" which is the SAAMI standard for 9mm:

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 115, Hornady HP/XTP 35540
Useable Case Capaci: 9.437 grain H2O = 0.613 cm?
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 3.0 inch = 76.2 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon Clays

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 3.03% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-30.3   55     2.30    755     146   15824   3142    100.0    0.502
-27.3   58     2.40    776     154   16994   3261    100.0    0.485
-24.2   60     2.50    796     162   18205   3380    100.0    0.470
-21.2   62     2.60    816     170   19455   3499    100.0    0.455
-18.2   65     2.70    835     178   20746   3617    100.0    0.441
-15.2   67     2.80    854     186   22077   3736    100.0    0.428
-12.1   70     2.90    873     194   23448   3854    100.0    0.416
-09.1   72     3.00    891     203   24860   3971    100.0    0.405
-06.1   74     3.10    909     211   26313   4089    100.0    0.394
-03.0   77     3.20    927     219   27807   4206    100.0    0.383
+00.0   79     3.30    944     227   29344   4323    100.0    0.373
+03.0   82     3.40    961     236   30922   4439    100.0    0.364  ! Near Maximum !
+06.1   84     3.50    978     244   32544   4555    100.0    0.355  ! Near Maximum !
+09.1   86     3.60    995     253   34209   4671    100.0    0.347  ! Near Maximum !
+12.1   89     3.70   1011     261   35917   4786    100.0    0.339  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+15.2   91     3.80   1027     269   37671   4901    100.0    0.332  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 115, Hornady HP/XTP 35540
Useable Case Capaci: 9.437 grain H2O = 0.613 cm?
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 3.0 inch = 76.2 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon Universal

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   72     4.00    898     206   18689   5771     95.5    0.464
-18.0   73     4.10    918     215   19640   5936     96.2    0.453
-16.0   75     4.20    937     224   20624   6097     96.8    0.443
-14.0   77     4.30    955     233   21641   6254     97.4    0.434
-12.0   79     4.40    974     242   22692   6408     97.9    0.424
-10.0   80     4.50    992     252   23777   6557     98.3    0.414
-08.0   82     4.60   1011     261   24897   6702     98.7    0.404
-06.0   84     4.70   1029     270   26054   6843     99.1    0.394
-04.0   86     4.80   1047     280   27247   6978     99.4    0.385
-02.0   88     4.90   1065     289   28479   7109     99.6    0.377
+00.0   89     5.00   1082     299   29749   7235     99.8    0.368
+02.0   91     5.10   1100     309   31057   7355     99.9    0.360  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0   93     5.20   1117     319   32409   7470    100.0    0.352  ! Near Maximum !
+06.0   95     5.30   1134     328   33801   7580    100.0    0.345  ! Near Maximum !
+08.0   97     5.40   1151     338   35236   7686    100.0    0.338  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0   98     5.50   1167     348   36715   7792    100.0    0.331  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

You go from 253ft-lbs of muzzle energy to 328ft-lbs of muzzle energy by changing powders.

I am in 91411.

[aguynamedbryan]

The data above is a quickload simulation.
It's NOT tested data.
It's only a computer simulation.

Here are the same two simulations with a 3" barrel instead of 4" which is the SAAMI standard for 9mm:

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 115, Hornady HP/XTP 35540
Useable Case Capaci: 9.437 grain H2O = 0.613 cm?
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 3.0 inch = 76.2 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon Clays

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 3.03% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-30.3   55     2.30    755     146   15824   3142    100.0    0.502
-27.3   58     2.40    776     154   16994   3261    100.0    0.485
-24.2   60     2.50    796     162   18205   3380    100.0    0.470
-21.2   62     2.60    816     170   19455   3499    100.0    0.455
-18.2   65     2.70    835     178   20746   3617    100.0    0.441
-15.2   67     2.80    854     186   22077   3736    100.0    0.428
-12.1   70     2.90    873     194   23448   3854    100.0    0.416
-09.1   72     3.00    891     203   24860   3971    100.0    0.405
-06.1   74     3.10    909     211   26313   4089    100.0    0.394
-03.0   77     3.20    927     219   27807   4206    100.0    0.383
+00.0   79     3.30    944     227   29344   4323    100.0    0.373
+03.0   82     3.40    961     236   30922   4439    100.0    0.364  ! Near Maximum !
+06.1   84     3.50    978     244   32544   4555    100.0    0.355  ! Near Maximum !
+09.1   86     3.60    995     253   34209   4671    100.0    0.347  ! Near Maximum !
+12.1   89     3.70   1011     261   35917   4786    100.0    0.339  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+15.2   91     3.80   1027     269   37671   4901    100.0    0.332  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 115, Hornady HP/XTP 35540
Useable Case Capaci: 9.437 grain H2O = 0.613 cm?
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 3.0 inch = 76.2 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon Universal

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   72     4.00    898     206   18689   5771     95.5    0.464
-18.0   73     4.10    918     215   19640   5936     96.2    0.453
-16.0   75     4.20    937     224   20624   6097     96.8    0.443
-14.0   77     4.30    955     233   21641   6254     97.4    0.434
-12.0   79     4.40    974     242   22692   6408     97.9    0.424
-10.0   80     4.50    992     252   23777   6557     98.3    0.414
-08.0   82     4.60   1011     261   24897   6702     98.7    0.404
-06.0   84     4.70   1029     270   26054   6843     99.1    0.394
-04.0   86     4.80   1047     280   27247   6978     99.4    0.385
-02.0   88     4.90   1065     289   28479   7109     99.6    0.377
+00.0   89     5.00   1082     299   29749   7235     99.8    0.368
+02.0   91     5.10   1100     309   31057   7355     99.9    0.360  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0   93     5.20   1117     319   32409   7470    100.0    0.352  ! Near Maximum !
+06.0   95     5.30   1134     328   33801   7580    100.0    0.345  ! Near Maximum !
+08.0   97     5.40   1151     338   35236   7686    100.0    0.338  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0   98     5.50   1167     348   36715   7792    100.0    0.331  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

You go from 253ft-lbs of muzzle energy to 328ft-lbs of muzzle energy by changing powders.

I am in 91411.

Thanks again. I'd be up for a trade next time I'm up that way - I think I only have 1 unopened 14 oz bottle of clays, maybe two, I'll have to check when I get home.

I also think I may pick up 5 pounds of CFE Pistol because it's available for free shipping and no hazmat - any opinions on that before I order? I know an earlier poster mentioned it and at this point I'm assuming anyone posting here knows far better than I do, lol.

[ar15barrels]

Thanks again. I'd be up for a trade next time I'm up that way - I think I only have 1 unopened 14 oz bottle of clays, maybe two, I'll have to check when I get home.

I also think I may pick up 5 pounds of CFE Pistol because it's available for free shipping and no hazmat - any opinions on that before I order? I know an earlier poster mentioned it and at this point I'm assuming anyone posting here knows far better than I do, lol.

I don't have CFE pistol in my quickload powder file but here are the top velocity performers when loaded to 33,000psi in a 3" barrel:

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 115, Hornady HP/XTP 35540
Useable Case Capaci: 9.430 grain H2O = 0.612 cm?
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 3.0 inch = 76.2 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 33000 psi, or 227 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 102 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant POWER PISTOL               100.5      6.9     0.45    1168    80.7    33000    9414   0.335  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Major Pistol         95.9      9.0     0.58    1154    68.9    33000    9094   0.334  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.7                       95.9      9.0     0.58    1154    68.9    33000    9094   0.334  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N37                    101.9      6.8     0.44    1148    89.8    33000    8594   0.337  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant UNIQUE                     102.0      5.7     0.37    1148    96.8    32791    8496   0.345  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BULLSEYE                    87.8      5.1     0.33    1142    97.6    33000    8161   0.336  ! Near Maximum !
Fiocchi F-Rex brown                 75.5      6.8     0.44    1141    84.4    33000    8590   0.336  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.5                       75.5      6.8     0.44    1141    84.4    33000    8591   0.336  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Auto Pistol          75.5      6.8     0.44    1141    84.4    33000    8591   0.336  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Longshot                    78.5      6.9     0.44    1137    89.4    33000    8353   0.338  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Ultimate Pistol      63.3      5.4     0.35    1136    98.0    33000    8050   0.343  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Silhouette                  82.6      6.2     0.40    1135    94.7    33000    8131   0.338  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WAP                      82.9      6.3     0.41    1135    94.4    33000    8134   0.338  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon HS-6                        82.0      7.0     0.46    1133    87.0    33000    8315   0.338  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 540                      75.8      6.8     0.44    1132    89.6    33000    8229   0.338  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot True Blue                   77.0      6.8     0.44    1132    89.5    33000    8228   0.338  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N330                     94.7      5.4     0.35    1131   100.0    33000    7368   0.340  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Universal                   93.9      5.2     0.34    1124   100.0    33000    7515   0.349  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N340                     98.3      5.7     0.37    1123    97.0    33000    7685   0.340  ! Near Maximum !
Fiocchi F-Rex yellow                91.0      5.5     0.36    1121    98.3    33000    7555   0.342  ! Near Maximum !