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  • crazy
    Senior Member
    • May 2009
    • 1120

    Swapping Lehigh bullets into loaded ammunition

    I already have loaded ammunition. Would it be safe to pull the bullets and replace with nonlead bullets off the same weight? Or would the be a kaboom in my face sentence.
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  • #2
    Imageview
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2018
    • 1587

    This would not be advisable.

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    • #3
      Tommy Gun
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 806

      Probably not a kaboom situation amd more of a pressure sign situation depending how hot you loaded them.

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      • #4
        Sandspider500
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2018
        • 1133

        Most non lead bullets are made of copper. Copper is almost 79% as dense as lead. So for an example, if you had a 147gr xtp 9mm bullet, and you had a company machine a bullet from copper that was an exact copy of that, it would weigh 115gr.

        Another example, I have some Barnes 9mm 115gr hollow points, they have a large hollow cavity and are .693 long. I cast a 145gr deep hollow point bullet and it's .648 long.

        What cartridge are you reloading for? Lehigh has load data if you need it.
        Originally posted by Palmaris
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        • #5
          Divernhunter
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2010
          • 8753

          I would not advise that.
          A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
          NRA Life Member, NRA certified RSO & Basic Pistol Instructor, Hunter, shooter, reloader
          SCI, Manteca Sportsmen Club, Coalinga Rifle Club, Escalon Sportsmans Club, Waterford Sportsman Club & NAHA Member, Madison Society member

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          • #6
            divingin
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2015
            • 2522

            Are you talking about re-using the primed brass (i.e. standard reloading without the size and prime) or are you talking about Mexican Match reloading (keeping the existing powder charge and replacing just the bullet)?

            In either case, cartridge, firearm type (and individual firearm), and reloading experience will all have a bearing on the decision.

            Since you say replacing a lead bullet with a non-total-lead bullet, are you going solid copper or jacketed? Is this to come up with a hunting round, or simply to avoid shooting lead bullets?

            If going all copper, the bullets are longer for an equivalent weight. In addition to overall length, reduced case capacity due to seating depth comes into play.

            TLDR: If you don't know what you're doing, probably don't do it.

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            • #7
              crazy
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 1120

              Thank you for the feedback. My intention was to load some rounds for pig hunting. Calibers would be .308, .270. I would like to load Lehigh all copper tree hugger friendly bullets. My thought was to use ammo that I have and just pull the bullets and seat and crimp the Lehigh. Replace the old with the new with the same weight. The reason for asking was to see if it would be safe. The consensus seems to be no. While I am not a handsome man, I would like to keep what little beauty I have left. So I will refrain.
              Last edited by crazy; 02-03-2023, 11:31 AM.
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              • #8
                crazy
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 1120

                Originally posted by Sandspider500
                Most non lead bullets are made of copper. Copper is almost 79% as dense as lead. So for an example, if you had a 147gr xtp 9mm bullet, and you had a company machine a bullet from copper that was an exact copy of that, it would weigh 115gr.

                Another example, I have some Barnes 9mm 115gr hollow points, they have a large hollow cavity and are .693 long. I cast a 145gr deep hollow point bullet and it's .648 long.

                What cartridge are you reloading for? Lehigh has load data if you need it.

                I already stated that I am not a handsome man and maybe not the smartest either but your post confuses me. I had said that I would like to swap bullets for the same weight not size. I do understand that copper would be physically large.
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                • #9
                  Sandspider500
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2018
                  • 1133





                  Okay, so you do understand that the copper bullet of the same weight will be longer. So you also understand what happens when you make the combustion chamber smaller right?
                  Originally posted by Palmaris
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                  • #10
                    Imageview
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2018
                    • 1587

                    For use in large game hunting the bullets need to be expanding as well as lead free. I have some 45-70 rounds I could use for squirrels but not pigs because they are lead feee but not expanding as an example.

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                    • #11
                      crazy
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2009
                      • 1120

                      Originally posted by Sandspider500




                      Okay, so you do understand that the copper bullet of the same weight will be longer. So you also understand what happens when you make the combustion chamber smaller right?

                      From all the input, I have decided or have been convinced that this is not a good idea. I will load rounds starting from scratch.
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                      • #12
                        Sandspider500
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 1133

                        Are you swapping commercial loaded ammo or is it something you loaded?
                        Originally posted by Palmaris
                        You should not worry about me. This web site is monitored by all kind of authorities and if they found this kind of post credible enough as threat, they might want to start investigation. I have no idea what can be outcome. Just saying.

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                        • #13
                          crazy
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 1120

                          I was thinking of doing this with commercial ammo but no more.
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                          • #14
                            Sandspider500
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 1133

                            Why wouldn't you just load your own with the data they provide?
                            Originally posted by Palmaris
                            You should not worry about me. This web site is monitored by all kind of authorities and if they found this kind of post credible enough as threat, they might want to start investigation. I have no idea what can be outcome. Just saying.

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                            • #15
                              Sandspider500
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2018
                              • 1133

                              Interesting that if you look at the Barnes .308 175gr load data, most of the powder weights are the same, and sometimes exceeding the powder weights of the lead counterpart.

                              This is not the case for the Lehigh bullets, for what reason I don't know. The difference with the Lehigh data is as much as 5gr less powder for a 175gr.
                              Originally posted by Palmaris
                              You should not worry about me. This web site is monitored by all kind of authorities and if they found this kind of post credible enough as threat, they might want to start investigation. I have no idea what can be outcome. Just saying.

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