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Lyman 50th has some cast bullet data. I think it's around $20.Originally posted by Palmaris -
Originally posted by Citadelgrad87Comment
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You're just making 40sw using titegroup. You'll need a much slower powder to take advantage of the 10mm case.
Anyway, hodgdon lists 180gr acme at 5.4-6.0gr. That data is appropriate for 175gr coated bullets. I'd start at 5.5gr.Comment
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Got my hands on Lyman's 51st Edition. I do commend that book to your attention; the load data in it always has been good for me, for real-world loads. Note that you can safely use 180gr load information for the 175gr bullet when you start working up your load. The general rule is, you can use data for the next heaviest bullet in the book, for working up your load, and you will not go over-pressure.
And for the record...for a 175gr cast bullet, Lyman's 51st shows 5.1 to 5.7 gr of Titegroup in the 10mm section."San Francisco Liberal With A Gun"
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I typed up a nice response earlier but somehow I didnt post it but Titegroup basically turns the 10mm into a 40S&W so that's why you don't see much data for it.
Here is a powder chooser pass to 31,000psi for your bullet in 10mm:
Here is a Quickload simulation for your components anyways:Code:Cartridge : 10 mm Auto (SAAMI) Bullet : .401, 175, LEE TL401-175-SWC Useable Case Capaci: 14.136 grain H2O = 0.918 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.250 inch = 31.75 mm Barrel Length : 5.0 inch = 127.0 mm Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders. Matching Maximum Pressure: 31000 psi, or 213 MPa or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 102 % These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window. C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations. USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON ! Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time % Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms --------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Accurate No.7 85.5 12.0 0.78 1258 82.4 31000 6212 0.511 ! Near Maximum ! Shooters World Major Pistol 85.5 12.0 0.78 1258 82.4 31000 6212 0.511 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant POWER PISTOL 88.8 9.2 0.59 1258 92.0 31000 6079 0.510 ! Near Maximum ! Shooters World Heavy Pistol 93.3 13.0 0.84 1233 75.0 31000 5913 0.511 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate No.9 94.3 13.0 0.84 1233 75.0 31000 5913 0.511 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate TCM 94.0 12.6 0.82 1231 76.7 31000 5862 0.511 ! Near Maximum ! Shooters World Auto Pistol 66.9 9.0 0.58 1221 94.6 31000 5422 0.513 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate No.5 66.9 9.0 0.58 1221 94.6 31000 5420 0.513 ! Near Maximum ! Fiocchi F-Rex brown 66.9 9.0 0.58 1221 94.6 31000 5420 0.513 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori 3N37 90.3 9.1 0.59 1220 98.2 31000 5237 0.516 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant HERCO 101.3 8.3 0.54 1219 99.7 31000 5146 0.522 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N350 93.5 8.9 0.58 1214 98.4 31000 5109 0.514 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon HS-6 72.7 9.4 0.61 1209 96.5 31000 5165 0.516 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon Longshot 69.5 9.1 0.59 1208 97.8 31000 5095 0.517 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori 3N38 102.0 10.8 0.70 1206 85.0 28853 5604 0.529 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant UNIQUE 89.7 7.5 0.49 1204 100.0 31000 4785 0.523 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot True Blue 68.2 9.0 0.59 1202 97.9 31000 5018 0.517 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester 540 67.2 9.0 0.58 1202 97.9 31000 5012 0.517 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester WAP 73.2 8.3 0.54 1194 99.8 31000 4753 0.518 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot Silhouette 73.0 8.3 0.54 1194 99.9 31000 4734 0.518 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan BA7½ 97.2 9.3 0.60 1193 97.3 31000 4925 0.519 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant BULLSEYE 77.0 6.7 0.43 1189 100.0 31000 4579 0.516 ! Near Maximum ! Shooters World Ultimate Pistol 55.6 7.1 0.46 1183 100.0 31000 4466 0.523 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N340 86.9 7.5 0.49 1172 100.0 31000 4327 0.523 ! Near Maximum ! Norma R123 102.0 13.3 0.86 1172 80.1 19668 6969 0.615 Alliant 2400 102.0 12.6 0.82 1170 68.1 25692 5694 0.557 Fiocchi F-Rex yellow 80.5 7.3 0.47 1165 100.0 31000 4175 0.527 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N330 83.2 7.1 0.46 1158 100.0 31000 3981 0.527 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot Enforcer 102.0 13.6 0.88 1157 67.6 24297 5700 0.565 Hodgdon Universal 82.4 6.9 0.45 1156 100.0 31000 4072 0.533 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan A0 90.9 7.6 0.49 1155 100.0 31000 4088 0.523 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant BLUE DOT 102.0 10.8 0.70 1153 77.2 25417 5421 0.564 Accurate No.2 80.4 6.9 0.45 1150 99.7 31000 4221 0.521 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan BA9½ 83.7 7.1 0.46 1143 100.0 31000 3904 0.529 ! Near Maximum ! NitroKemia REX 1/Red/28 101.6 7.1 0.46 1137 100.0 31000 3796 0.523 ! Near Maximum ! NitroKemia REX 2/Yellow/32 102.0 7.0 0.45 1136 100.0 29725 3869 0.537 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate Solo 1250 87.6 6.8 0.44 1135 100.0 31000 3776 0.528 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan BA 9 81.8 7.4 0.48 1133 100.0 31000 3803 0.526 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N105 *C 102.0 10.4 0.67 1129 83.2 21607 5539 0.592 Ramshot Zip 62.3 6.8 0.44 1127 100.0 31000 3711 0.530 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester 231 69.3 6.8 0.44 1127 100.0 31000 3711 0.530 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan A1 74.2 6.7 0.43 1126 100.0 31000 3685 0.527 ! Near Maximum ! NitroKemia REX 3/Green/36 102.0 7.3 0.47 1123 100.0 27195 3970 0.556 Hodgdon HP38 61.5 6.7 0.43 1120 100.0 31000 3631 0.531 ! Near Maximum ! Fiocchi F-Rex green 56.1 6.1 0.40 1114 100.0 31000 3613 0.528 ! Near Maximum ! Shooters World Clean Shot 56.1 6.1 0.40 1114 100.0 31000 3613 0.528 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan AS 75.2 6.3 0.41 1105 100.0 31000 3482 0.531 ! Near Maximum ! Fiocchi F-Rex red 70.5 6.2 0.40 1105 100.0 31000 3471 0.530 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant GREEN DOT 84.0 6.1 0.40 1105 100.0 31000 3510 0.539 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N320 80.2 6.1 0.40 1103 100.0 31000 3422 0.539 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 4100 102.0 13.7 0.89 1099 61.0 23089 5025 0.584 Accurate Nitro 100 81.3 5.5 0.36 1098 100.0 31000 3449 0.534 ! Near Maximum ! Shooters World Sparta 100 81.3 5.5 0.36 1098 100.0 31000 3449 0.534 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate Solo 1000 80.9 5.8 0.38 1080 100.0 31000 3253 0.538 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant RED DOT 85.1 5.5 0.36 1078 100.0 31000 3279 0.546 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon TiteGroup 56.5 6.0 0.39 1074 100.0 31000 3199 0.542 ! Near Maximum !
With around 50% case fill under the seated bullet, it's easily possible to double charge with titegroup as it will not even overflow the case so be careful of that.Code:Cartridge : 10 mm Auto (SAAMI) Bullet : .401, 175, LEE TL401-175-SWC Useable Case Capaci: 14.136 grain H2O = 0.918 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.250 inch = 31.75 mm Barrel Length : 5.0 inch = 127.0 mm Powder : Hodgdon TiteGroup Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.786% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -17.9 43 4.60 910 322 18689 2564 100.0 0.680 -16.1 44 4.70 923 331 19456 2610 100.0 0.668 -14.3 45 4.80 935 340 20240 2656 100.0 0.656 -12.5 46 4.90 947 349 21041 2702 100.0 0.644 -10.7 47 5.00 960 358 21860 2748 100.0 0.633 -08.9 48 5.10 972 367 22696 2794 100.0 0.622 -07.1 49 5.20 983 376 23549 2839 100.0 0.612 -05.4 50 5.30 995 385 24420 2885 100.0 0.602 -03.6 51 5.40 1007 394 25309 2930 100.0 0.592 -01.8 52 5.50 1018 403 26217 2976 100.0 0.583 +00.0 53 5.60 1030 412 27142 3021 100.0 0.574 +01.8 54 5.70 1041 421 28086 3066 100.0 0.566 ! Near Maximum ! +03.6 55 5.80 1052 430 29048 3111 100.0 0.557 ! Near Maximum ! +05.4 56 5.90 1063 439 30030 3155 100.0 0.549 ! Near Maximum ! +07.1 56 6.00 1075 449 31030 3200 100.0 0.541 ! Near Maximum ! +08.9 57 6.10 1085 458 32050 3245 100.0 0.534 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value: +Ba 53 5.60 1034 416 28158 3004 100.0 0.567 ! Near Maximum ! Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value: -Ba 53 5.60 1025 408 26108 3040 100.0 0.583
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Blue Dot is a often recommended powder for the 10mm. Especially for bullets in the 175gr/180gr catagory. 10.0-10.4 gr. But, it has a definite muzzle blast.
AA#9 also works well.Comment
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AA#9 is much faster than Blue Dot at the same pressure with his bullet.
Blue dot is actually too bulky to get to max pressure with his bullet as you can see below:
My pick from the top 3 powders would be power pistol since it burns so much cleaner at 92% than the other powders that are in the 75-82% range.Code:Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time % Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms --------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Accurate No.7 85.5 12.0 0.78 1258 82.4 31000 6212 0.511 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant POWER PISTOL 88.8 9.2 0.59 1258 92.0 31000 6079 0.510 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate No.9 94.3 13.0 0.84 1233 75.0 31000 5913 0.511 ! Near Maximum ! <snipped the other 26 better performing powders between these> Alliant BLUE DOT 102.0 10.8 0.70 1153 77.2 25417 5421 0.564Randall Rausch
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I’ve had great results with Unique.. But it seems dirtier than it used to be.Comment
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It was supposed to have been reformulated to less so.
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Longshot, power pistol, aa9
If you insist on titegroup might as well load 40 s&wNRA Endowment Life Member
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