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  • Dirtlaw
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Apr 2018
    • 3480

    Alignment and measurements

    I still endeavor to keep all planes in alignment while making measurements. Even if no one else understands, I thing Guffy does. I suspect we both are drawn to the same thing. I like to think so anyway.
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    FLIGHT762
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 3071

    Congratulations.

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    • #3
      kcstott
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Nov 2011
      • 11796

      Originally posted by Dirtlaw
      I still endeavor to keep all planes in alignment while making measurements. Even if no one else understands, I thing Guffy does. I suspect we both are drawn to the same thing. I like to think so anyway.
      Just don't start giving loading advice in quatrains

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      • #4
        TomReloaded
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2013
        • 1637

        Are you going for a 3000 yard shot or something?

        I think my enjoyment increased once I started making blaster ammo instead.

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        • #5
          freonr22
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          • Dec 2008
          • 12945

          Maybe the alignments can be measin stottbarrels?
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          • #6
            smoothy8500
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 3846

            Originally posted by Dirtlaw
            Even if no one else understands, I thing Guffy does.
            Hmmmm, I've noticed that you and he seem to think alike.....

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            • #7
              LynnJr
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2013
              • 7958

              Originally posted by Dirtlaw
              I still endeavor to keep all planes in alignment while making measurements. Even if no one else understands, I thing Guffy does. I suspect we both are drawn to the same thing. I like to think so anyway.
              It isnt all that hard to make great ammo you just need to know what is important and what isnt.
              The most important measurement you make involving great ammo is the seating depth needs to be the same for all your rounds.
              If you load a 100 rounds of ammo and never adjust the seating die then measure your ammo with a comparator the first thing you will see is why bullets get sorted.
              As to Mr Guffey i dont see anyone here or on all the other boards he frequents who understands anything he is saying and they load ammo far more accurate than anything he has ever loaded.
              In a nutshell if you speak martian you might have some valid points but if nobody understands what your saying what good is it.
              Then there was the time we where all shooting duplex loads.
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              • #8
                BrassCase
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Dec 2011
                • 3185

                Originally posted by kcstott
                Just don't start giving loading advice in quatrains
                Scholars will be writing books about and translating them for centuries to come.

                Kind of like the Dead Sea Scrolls.
                I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong...
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                • #9
                  IronsightsRifleman
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2020
                  • 926

                  You'll achieve better accuracy if you employ fiducials in all your orthogonal metrics. If you find any of them are correlated you know that something is off.

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                  • #10
                    kcstott
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 11796

                    Originally posted by LynnJr
                    It isnt all that hard to make great ammo you just need to know what is important and what isnt.
                    The most important measurement you make involving great ammo is the seating depth needs to be the same for all your rounds.
                    If you load a 100 rounds of ammo and never adjust the seating die then measure your ammo with a comparator the first thing you will see is why bullets get sorted.
                    As to Mr Guffey i dont see anyone here or on all the other boards he frequents who understands anything he is saying and they load ammo far more accurate than anything he has ever loaded.
                    In a nutshell if you speak martian you might have some valid points but if nobody understands what your saying what good is it.
                    Then there was the time we where all shooting duplex loads.
                    Guffy has been run off of a dozen or more boards for the same crap he posts here.

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                    • #11
                      Dirtlaw
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 3480

                      Originally posted by LynnJr
                      It isnt all that hard to make great ammo you just need to know what is important and what isnt.
                      The most important measurement you make involving great ammo is the seating depth needs to be the same for all your rounds.
                      If you load a 100 rounds of ammo and never adjust the seating die then measure your ammo with a comparator the first thing you will see is why bullets get sorted.
                      As to Mr Guffey i dont see anyone here or on all the other boards he frequents who understands anything he is saying and they load ammo far more accurate than anything he has ever loaded.
                      In a nutshell if you speak martian you might have some valid points but if nobody understands what your saying what good is it.
                      Then there was the time we where all shooting duplex loads.

                      You raise and important point which is part of which drives me. The need to speak the same language. To do that we need to have measurement standards agreed upon by everyone. That is easy sometimes (like standards for length and weight), but not so easy other times (the new proposed "Guffy tension system." All I can honestly say is that there are some new tools out there that are incredible. It's good to be alive.

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                      • #12
                        kcstott
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 11796

                        Originally posted by Dirtlaw
                        You raise and important point which is part of which drives me. The need to speak the same language. To do that we need to have measurement standards agreed upon by everyone. That is easy sometimes (like standards for length and weight), but not so easy other times (the new proposed "Guffy tension system." All I can honestly say is that there are some new tools out there that are incredible. It's good to be alive.
                        Neck Tension is the recognized standard term. IBS, High power, F Class, CMP, PRS and NRL all use this term. Guffy is the only one with a hair up his arse that can't seem to figure out it's just a common term.
                        That also goes to his BS on bumping the shoulder. It's a figure of speech, nothing more, yet that twit wants it's all explained with words that can only be found in the standard handbook for mechanical engineers.
                        Not to mention his thoughts on headspace.
                        That's if and only if he's in a mood to write like a normal human being instead of the innuendo, equivocating, and double talk the we usually have to filer through. The guy is worse the Joe Biden.

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                        • #13
                          TomReloaded
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2013
                          • 1637

                          The guffy tension measurement was a joke because brass has fixed mechanical properties, so using interference fit measurements *is" a direct and exact tension measurement.

                          I don't think any spec isn't defined and commonly used.

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                          • #14
                            fguffey
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 1408

                            I don't think any spec isn't defined and commonly used.
                            Life is not fair, interferents fit and crush fit cannot be measured in in tensions. I had a press that measured 1000,000+ with a large gage that measured in pounds. When repairing worn-out holes I bushed the holes with a sleeve, I started the sleeve with a sledgehammer and finished installing with the press.

                            F. Guffey

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                            • #15
                              fguffey
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 1408

                              All I can honestly say is that there are some new tools out there that are incredible. It's good to be alive.
                              Again, I have tension gages, none of them measure tensions, they all measure weight in pounds or deflection in thousandths.

                              F. Guffey

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