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Anyone have a good source of published data for either 357 max or 360 dw using lead free bullets? Thanks!
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Shootersreference.com lists some data for 140gr xpb barnes bullets.
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Just looked at barnes site. No data listed for .357 max.
The data for the shooters reference site lists pressure, but I have not used that site before.Comment
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if hunting with a 357 max, you really need to be the pioneer....
You can load the bullets based upon weight....
Bullets are designed for a velocity range... sometimes too fax really negatively impacts performance....
as a reference point-
lots of 9mm vs 357 sig where the same bullet breaks apart from the velocity increase...Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)
Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
(thanks to Jeff Cooper)Comment
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Looks like the shootersreference site is pulling data from hogdon, thanks for that! I am a little concerned with velocity, but the Barnes bullets seem to hold together pretty well. Will definitely have to see if I can recover one if I ever end up actually harvesting game with it. Out of a rifle it will likely be moving pretty good, would not be shocked if it loses its petals at least. Finding the projectiles will be enough of a challenge for the moment. Most of the guys I know using 357 max are using 180 or 200gr xtps, where the weight keeps velocity at more projectile appropriate levels.Comment
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The current Hornady manual has yer info. My old Speer did also, cant speak for the new one.A Nation of Sheep Will Beget a Government of WolvesComment
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If you have a specific bullet or the dimensional specs to model the bullet, I can run simulations in Quickload to get you a starting point to go develop your own data.
I was sorting my brass recently and I ran into a 50ct box of virgin 360W brass.
I think I bought 250 pieces but only sized 200 of them into 300 whisper rimmed brass for a Contender barrel I have.
How about a Barnes 140gr X Pistol Bullet in a 6" barrel?
Code:Cartridge : .357 Maximum (SAAMI) Bullet : .357, 140, Barnes XPB 30453 Useable Case Capaci: 25.280 grain H2O = 1.641 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.990 inch = 50.55 mm Barrel Length : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm Powder : Hodgdon H110 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.087% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -10.9 82 20.50 1398 608 25422 10459 72.3 0.622 -09.8 83 20.75 1419 626 26325 10685 73.1 0.611 -08.7 84 21.00 1439 644 27259 10912 73.9 0.601 -07.6 85 21.25 1460 662 28227 11139 74.8 0.590 -06.5 86 21.50 1481 681 29228 11367 75.6 0.580 -05.4 87 21.75 1501 701 30264 11595 76.4 0.569 -04.3 88 22.00 1522 720 31336 11823 77.1 0.560 -03.3 89 22.25 1543 741 32447 12051 77.9 0.550 -02.2 90 22.50 1565 761 33597 12279 78.7 0.540 -01.1 91 22.75 1586 782 34788 12506 79.5 0.531 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 92 23.00 1607 803 36022 12733 80.2 0.522 ! Near Maximum ! +01.1 93 23.25 1629 825 37301 12959 81.0 0.513 ! Near Maximum ! +02.2 94 23.50 1651 847 38625 13184 81.7 0.504 ! Near Maximum ! +03.3 95 23.75 1673 870 39998 13409 82.5 0.495 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.3 96 24.00 1695 893 41422 13632 83.2 0.487 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +05.4 97 24.25 1717 916 42898 13854 83.9 0.478 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value: +Ba 92 23.00 1647 843 38377 13120 83.1 0.506 ! Near Maximum ! Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value: -Ba 92 23.00 1566 763 33714 12309 77.2 0.539
Randall Rausch
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Thanks for that, super interesting. Definitely a bullet on my to try list. 23 is listed as the max load by hogdon for 357 max (using srm primer), which is apples and oranges but the only data point I have to compare to. Will have to try a fairly mild load once I can find some projectiles. Currently all my 140s are loaded.
Out of curiosity can I get you to run it with a 22" barrel? Just so I have something to compare velocity numbers to. Thanks!
Edit: thought it was dw, not 357 you had ran. Oops! In that case yeah, makes perfect sense!Comment
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Code:Cartridge : .357 Maximum (SAAMI) Bullet : .357, 140, Barnes XPB 30453 Useable Case Capaci: 25.280 grain H2O = 1.641 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.990 inch = 50.55 mm Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm Powder : Hodgdon H110 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.087% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -10.9 82 20.50 1997 1240 25425 2623 90.6 1.378 -09.8 83 20.75 2020 1269 26327 2659 91.1 1.357 -08.7 84 21.00 2044 1298 27262 2694 91.7 1.337 -07.6 85 21.25 2067 1328 28229 2729 92.2 1.317 -06.5 86 21.50 2090 1358 29229 2763 92.7 1.298 -05.4 87 21.75 2113 1388 30265 2796 93.2 1.279 -04.3 88 22.00 2137 1419 31338 2828 93.7 1.261 -03.3 89 22.25 2160 1450 32448 2859 94.1 1.243 -02.2 90 22.50 2183 1481 33598 2890 94.6 1.225 -01.1 91 22.75 2206 1512 34789 2919 95.0 1.208 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 92 23.00 2229 1544 36023 2948 95.4 1.191 ! Near Maximum ! +01.1 93 23.25 2252 1576 37301 2976 95.8 1.174 ! Near Maximum ! +02.2 94 23.50 2274 1608 38625 3003 96.2 1.158 ! Near Maximum ! +03.3 95 23.75 2297 1641 39998 3029 96.5 1.142 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.3 96 24.00 2320 1673 41421 3054 96.9 1.127 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +05.4 97 24.25 2343 1706 42896 3078 97.2 1.111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value: +Ba 92 23.00 2267 1597 38377 2959 97.0 1.162 ! Near Maximum ! Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value: -Ba 92 23.00 2187 1487 33714 2925 93.6 1.222
Code:Cartridge : .360 Dan Wesson Bullet : .357, 140, Barnes XPB 30453 Useable Case Capaci: 19.796 grain H2O = 1.285 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.750 inch = 44.45 mm Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm Powder : Hodgdon H110 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 1.351% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -13.5 82 16.00 1687 885 18759 1864 81.1 1.608 -12.2 83 16.25 1714 913 19605 1904 82.0 1.578 -10.8 84 16.50 1740 942 20491 1943 82.9 1.549 -09.5 86 16.75 1767 971 21411 1982 83.7 1.521 -08.1 87 17.00 1794 1000 22367 2020 84.5 1.493 -06.8 88 17.25 1821 1031 23362 2058 85.3 1.466 -05.4 89 17.50 1848 1061 24402 2096 86.1 1.439 -04.1 91 17.75 1874 1092 25491 2133 86.8 1.414 -02.7 92 18.00 1901 1124 26632 2169 87.6 1.388 -01.4 93 18.25 1928 1156 27827 2204 88.3 1.363 +00.0 95 18.50 1955 1188 29079 2239 89.0 1.339 +01.4 96 18.75 1982 1221 30391 2273 89.7 1.315 ! Near Maximum ! +02.7 97 19.00 2009 1254 31767 2306 90.3 1.292 ! Near Maximum ! +04.1 98 19.25 2036 1288 33211 2338 91.0 1.270 ! Near Maximum ! +05.4 100 19.50 2062 1322 34725 2369 91.6 1.248 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +06.8 101 19.75 2089 1357 36315 2400 92.2 1.226 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value: +Ba 95 18.50 1995 1238 31107 2272 91.3 1.304 ! Near Maximum ! Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value: -Ba 95 18.50 1912 1137 27107 2197 86.4 1.377
Randall Rausch
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Much appreciated!Comment
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