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hey guys with our countries economy in the poop tank and California's even further down AND Sac county doing cut backs with the police I'm looking for a good "less than lethal" set up. Don't get me wrong I've got a .357 Magnum as my primary home defense but with more and more junk about people defending themselves and getting arrested for it, it leaves me a little concerned. I don't want to put my family in a position where I can no longer take care of them (in jail). So I'm trying to track down some 12ga pepper rounds to keep as a secondary method in the event of a brake in and the guy on the other end does not have a gun. I have to be careful too due to living in an apartment complex so that is why I'm thinking the pepper rounds would work well enough to slow them down and allow me to take control of the situation. If push comes to shove though I have no problem putting them down with the .357... I'm just trying to be smart about this! So any idea of where I can pick some up or does anyone have some around Sac that I can buy some off of you? Thanks!
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I would STONGLY advise you against using a "less than lethal round" against a BG! It could cause many more legal problems for you than it would solve. Chances are that you will end up in jail for a longer period of time too!NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun and Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor
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Wrong.
If a BG forcibly breaks into your house, the Penal Code allows you to use deadly force period. You will not go to jail.
If, however, you elect to engage a BG elsewhere, a can of OC or a taser is alot more practical than 12 GA pepper rounds.Comment
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Dude.. the moment you pick up that 12 gauge and fire.. it doesn't matter what projectile comes out of it. Let me just say that when the BG recovers from the pepper round with a blind eye or something, he'll be telling the jury about how he was just coming over for a cup of sugar and posed no threat. The family you were trying to protect will be working to pay his settlement.
Either use use some real bullets or nothing at all.Comment
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Wrong.
The Penal Code presumes that when a BG forcibly breaks into your house, he is not after a cup of sugar.Comment
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Ya, dont' use those. You will most likely be the one in trouble with the law. If you weren't in enough danger to use lethal force than you weren't in enough danger to fire a firearm at a person. That is the way they will see it.
If you have a clearly unarmed intruder you can just hold him at gun point untill the cops arrive. If he runs you send the cops his way. If he stays you let the cops take him. And if he attacks you can defend yourself.
Plus having a first round less lethal puts you at risk. If he pulls a gun while you are drawn down with a less lethal he has the advantage. There are too many ways for this to go wrong. If you really want you can get a tazer or something like that but I would just stick with the basics.
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I'm not understnding why you keep posting "Wrong" after posts which seem to be agreeing with your idea of using deadly force as opposed to "less than lethal ammo in a firearm. It seems to me that we agree that the only way to go when using a firearm for SD is to use "normal ammo" ie. deadly force. Please explain what you mean by "Wrong".NRA Certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun and Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor
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It's sad that we have to worry about whether or not to use lethal means of protecting ourselves in our homes.
Guns, dogs and home alarms. Opponents are all of a sudden advocates once their personal space is violated.
"Those who cannot remember the posts are condemned to repeat them"
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Lawsuits are civil.
Juries are people and can be made to believe anything. Heck, OJ Simpson is innocent LOL.
And welcome to California. BG needs to pose a threat of violence. Without going into the legal issues, you can not simply shoot a person trespassing into your home unless you don't mind jail.Comment
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You shoot someone you WILL get sued no matter what the circumstance."License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit -- ever. They're like the Viet Cong. Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote." --Carl Spackler--Originally posted by skateboarder74Comment
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I appreciate all the info guys. It sounds to me like i need to just stick with the .357 and hope I don't have to use it. I have a hard time living out here and dealing with the politics... where I come from back east the farmers use to keep punk kids off their property with rock salt loaded into a 12 ga
and if you went to the police they would tell you that you got what you deserve haha. So seeing how you can get in more trouble then the BG for protecting yourself is crazy to me. But thanks for the info guys! I hope we can all avoid having to be put in a position of compromise but if we are may justice be on our side!
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