Reloading and self defense

[22popnsplat]

I see alot of talk about the possibility of some one being prosecuted to a further degree because they used the ultra man killer reloads , I have never heard of it actually happening and would like to know if some one can site an actuall case ?
If the shooting is justified then it should not matter .And if i have to shoot someone they will stay shot, there wont be no patching them holes .

[scr83jp]

I see alot of talk about the possibility of some one being prosecuted to a further degree because they used the ultra man killer reloads , I have never heard of it actually happening and would like to know if some one can site an actuall case ?
If the shooting is justified then it should not matter .And if i have to shoot someone they will stay shot, there wont be no patching them holes .

Law Enforcement agencies reload ammo for practise but issue factory ammo to their officers for use on duty .All of the firearms liability classes I've had when employed as a peace officer for 32 years and since retiring have stressed ALWAYS carry factory ammo in your carry weapons!I follow the protocol because if you shoot someone your weapon will be seized and your ammo chronographed by experts for the defense & the attys expert for the perp or his survivors it's one less hurdle to overcome in the trial when you get sued!!!!It's the civil lawsuit you have to worry more about because juries award huge amounts to the perp(victim). CYA

[thempopresense]

here you go.

http://proarms.podbean.com/?p=420888

MSNBC Story

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15199221/

And the jury had another issue to think about: Fish’s gun.

The firearms investigator said that Fish’s gun — a 10mm — is more powerful than what police officers use and is not typically used for personal protection. And the ammunition Fish used to shoot Kuenzli three times, called “a hollow-point bullet,” is made to expand when it enters the body.

When he decided to pull the trigger, the prosecutor said, Fish should have known what the consequences would be.

Source from dateline story.

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[22popnsplat]

In the fish case I read alot it and the best I can conclude is that there was testimony about the choice of cartridges but nothing about them being reloads , It also sounds as though a jury did not find it was a justifiable shooting ?
Now dont get me wrong here , I am just curious to see if anyone has ever been prosuceted for reloads ?

[thempopresense]

In the fish case I read alot it and the best I can conclude is that there was testimony about the choice of cartridges but nothing about them being reloads , It also sounds as though a jury did not find it was a justifiable shooting ?
Now dont get me wrong here , I am just curious to see if anyone has ever been prosuceted for reloads ?

it was a powerful round, so whats the difference between a factory 9mm load and a home loaded 9mm with a few more grains of powder.... more powerful?

if you have the money for a good lawyer and feel confident that you will be fine if you ever have to use your firearm for self defense, why even ask the question about what to use?

[Blademan21]

CCW classes preach to not use reloads for SD,but there is no law that says you can't defend yourself with a .22 or a .50. I would also like to see a court ruling on using reloads for SD.

[thempopresense]

I doubt anyone would be convicted until their is a law, they use it to paint a bad picture of the victim (shooter).

[Fjold]

It wasn't mentioned in my CCW class last week but I see it mentioned on the internet all the time. I've yet to see an actual case where anyone used reloads.

[WyoDuner]

When I took my AZ CCW class the instructor talked about this isue. he suggested that you try to use the same ammo that your local PD uses. The point being that if the Police use that ammo it has been in some way verified to be Ok to use. Not a bad idea I suppose.

I have never heard of a case where reloads came into play at all either. I would argue that for example a "hot" 9mm reload is still probably less powerfull than a regular defensive .40 and above factory load.

By the way, I remember this story (being an AZ resident) and it got quite a bit of press. I don't doubt that the public opinion had something to do with this being brought to trial.

Also, I would recommend if you plan to have a weapon for self defense that a person take a CCW (Utah/Florida maybe) class or some other formal training that focuses on reacting in self-defense situations. I think it could go a long way if your shooting ever was brought to trial. You would then have the argument that you have formal training in how to react to this type of situation.

Finally, shooting should ALWAYS be the very last option. In this case, I don't believe the shooter waited until shooting was the last option - I believe he panicked and shot the guy with the dogs when merely presenting the firearm would probably have been enough to dissuade the dog owner.

[ronas]

I doubt anyone would be convicted until their is a law, they use it to paint a bad picture of the victim (shooter).

I'm not sure the issue involved in the case cited relates to a criminal act on behalf of the shooter. It seems the shooter was sued in civil court where the alleged victim was suing for money damages. If that's the case the alleged victim must prove both that the shooter was negligent and that he sustained damages.

If the shooter used a bullet that caused more damage than another type of bullet, the victim would be allowed to prove that as a measure of his damages.

Just my opinion not sure how meritorious

[Blademan21]

[QUOTE=WyoDuner



Also, I would recommend if you plan to have a weapon for self defense that a person take a CCW (Utah/Florida maybe) class or some other formal training that focuses on reacting in self-defense situations. I think it could go a long way if your shooting ever was brought to trial. You would then have the argument that you have formal training in how to react to this type of situation.





VERY good point. I wonder how many that OC on this forum have done at least this? Open is the can of worms.