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  • sirgrumps
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 2495

    CCI #41 vs. #400

    CCI has the #41 primer for the 5.56mm. They also have the #400 for small rifle.

    So I assume you can use the #400 in a 5.56, but is there a special primer for 5.56?

    So can you use a #41 in typical small rifle applications?
    ?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
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    Shab21
    Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 291

    CCI 41 primers have both a slightly thicker cup metal to help prevent AD's if the same round is chambered and chambered over, as well as it has slightly more pressure/heat to ignite spherical powder (use in ball ammo loads) better than the 400 primers as well.

    Typically used for ARs or semi-automatic rifles to avoid slam fire.

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    • #3
      MongooseV8
      Veteran Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 4426

      Iirc the 41 has a thicker cup to reduce the risk of slam fires in a semi auto. You can use a 41 in say a Rem 700 if your firing pin hits hard enough. Ive used both versions in every action under the sun and they always go bang. So to answer your question directly the 41 isnt really designed for the 5.56 per say, more for an AR type rifle. If you have the choice I would save the 400 for your bolt actions.

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      • #4
        sirgrumps
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 2495

        Originally posted by MongooseV8
        Iirc the 41 has a thicker cup to reduce the risk of slam fires in a semi auto. You can use a 41 in say a Rem 700 if your firing pin hits hard enough. Ive used both versions in every action under the sun and they always go bang. So to answer your question directly the 41 isnt really designed for the 5.56 per say, more for an AR type rifle. If you have the choice I would save the 400 for your bolt actions.

        So are you saying, for an AR, I should try to get #41 over #400?
        Then, would the #450 (magnum small rifles) be better than the #400 in an AR too?
        ?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
        - Justice Clarence Thomas

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        • #5
          FLIGHT762
          Veteran Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 3072

          Originally posted by sirgrumps
          Then, would the #450 (magnum small rifles) be better than the #400 in an AR too?
          Yes, the 450 magnum primer has a thicker primer cup (.025") than the 400 (.020"). If you can't get the 41's, get the 450's. The Remington 7-1/2 has the same thick primer cup as the CCI 450 and 41.

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          • #6
            sirgrumps
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 2495

            Originally posted by FLIGHT762
            Yes, the 450 magnum primer has a thicker primer cup (.025") than the 400 (.020"). If you can't get the 41's, get the 450's. The Remington 7-1/2 has the same thick primer cup as the CCI 450 and 41.
            And Winchesters?
            ?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
            - Justice Clarence Thomas

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            • #7
              FLIGHT762
              Veteran Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 3072

              See for yourself here:http://www.jamescalhoon.com/primers_and_pressure.php

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              • #8
                17+1
                Veteran Member
                • Jun 2010
                • 2847

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                • #9
                  sirgrumps
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2495

                  Originally posted by FLIGHT762
                  Thank you very much. That is a great article.
                  ?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
                  - Justice Clarence Thomas

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                  • #10
                    OpenSightsOnly
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 1557

                    Some folks use 400s without any issues but for my reloads I only use 450s, BR4s, 7.5 BRs, or the Wolf/Tula SRMs.

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                    • #11
                      Ruger15151
                      Member
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 259

                      CCI says that #450s and #41 have the same cup thickness and the same primer compound. You should be able to use them interchangeably.

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