Conversation with Brian of OC reloading

[Dirtlaw]

So I bought an additional single stage today and some other stuff. I wanted a legal bullet for 9MM carbine hunting, but though I got close with LeHigh ... no cigar. I asked Brian whether the lack of reloading supplies claim was true and he confirmed. Kind of hit or miss though as he explained. The most common stuff is harder to find. Stuff is still available though. It's always a good idea to be prepared.

[edgerly779]

Why not barnes bullets for non lead 9mm.

[Dirtlaw]

Why not barnes bullets for non lead 9mm.

Please tell me more including recommendations. Brian didn't mention them so maybe he has none. Hope I can find the right mix.

[Dirtlaw]

He had some LeHigh frangible which I bought the last he had. But I seem to recall that they are not CA hunting legal. Useful for other things though.

[tigerpan]

So I bought an additional single stage today and some other stuff. I wanted a legal bullet for 9MM carbine hunting, but though I got close with LeHigh ... no cigar. I asked Brian whether the lack of reloading supplies claim was true and he confirmed. Kind of hit or miss though as he explained. The most common stuff is harder to find. Stuff is still available though. It's always a good idea to be prepared.

Im not gone worry about reloading stuff as long as i can order online.

[DueceMcGurk]

Brian is one of the good guys. He and Phillips get 100% of my reloading supply business.

Glad to see the "Red vs Blue" debate has been resolved. Now on to the 9mm vs 45 ACP and Glock vs 1911. LOL

[Dirtlaw]

Brian is one of the good guys. He and Phillips get 100% of my reloading supply business.

Glad to see the "Red vs Blue" debate has been resolved. Now on to the 9mm vs 45 ACP and Glock vs 1911. LOL

The 1911 is eternal. How could anything be better? Hard to improve on perfection.

[edgerly779]

Go on dfw website and find 9mm ammo or bullets that are approved lehigh is not.

['ol shooter]

So, nobody asked yet so I'll bite.
What would you hunt with a pistol caliber carbine?
A little big for squirrels, a bit anemic for 'yotes and pigs, like they would ever come in that close.
Dogs and Cats, I hope not.

[Dirtlaw]

So, nobody asked yet so I'll bite.
What would you hunt with a pistol caliber carbine?
A little big for squirrels, a bit anemic for 'yotes and pigs, like they would ever come in that close.
Dogs and Cats, I hope not.

Never a cat. My little guy-cat longs to be my hunting partner. He's nearly as old as me and just as mean. I've tried to discourage him but he has the heart of a giant. Coyotes would work. He hates them. Small bacon would be tempting. My guy-cat loves bacon (as long as it is covered with cheese).

[Skirmisher]

Hunting with pistol caliber ammo in rifles and carbines is a huge tradition; the Winchester calibers alone, .25-20, ,32-20, .38-40 and .44-40 have been used for well over a century. Add .45 Colt, .44 Special, .357 and more. Lots to chose from.

Skirmisher

[NapalmCheese]

Hunting with pistol caliber ammo in rifles and carbines is a huge tradition; the Winchester calibers alone, .25-20, ,32-20, .38-40 and .44-40 have been used for well over a century. Add .45 Colt, .44 Special, .357 and more. Lots to chose from.

Skirmisher

Hunting with pistol caliber ammo in rifles and carbines WAS a huge tradition when most people a) needed a gun for general purpose protection and b) couldn't buy more than one or maybe two.

In a time where people were subsistence hunting without regulations, seasons, or without regard for such if they were in place; lots of animals were killed with relatively anemic cartridges shooting soft lead propelled by black powder simply because that's what they had. I'll bet if you went back in time and gave them the choice of .44-40 or a .308, every single one of them would choose a .308 for anything bigger than coyote.

That being said, if I were hunting with a 9mm PCC, I'd keep my shots to bow range and bow presentations. As someone that will sometimes carry a 10mm handgun while hunting small game in CA just in case I run across a pig, that's how I treat it (as a bow but easier to carry).

Good luck to the OP whatever he or she is doing.

[Cowboy T]

Revolver cartridges, I'd do it. For example, .38-40 and .44.40 were loaded hotter back in the day for rifles. They put a lot of meat on the dinner table. Today, we have .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum. I would not hesitate to use either .357M or .44M for woodlands hunting with a rifle-length barrel. This is because the "magnum" revolver powders can take advantage of the 16"-or-longer barrel length of, say, a Winchester 92 or Ruger 96/44 for some sweet velocity increases. Remember that KE = 0.5*mv^2, so a 400 ft/sec increase out of the rifle-length barrel with these powders is a major power increase. But my absolute maximum shot would be 150 yards, even so.

I would hesitate to use a 9mm Luger for hunting, because even in a rifle-length barrel, you don't get the advantage of slower-burning powders. This is because the cartridge is small and simply cannot fit enough of a "magnum" handgun powder like 2400 or H110/W296 to take advantage of a rifle-length barrel. You thus don't get much, if any, velocity increase with this cartridge. Now, it's great for home defense! Absolutely! One mother in Detroit so demonstrated a few years back with a 9mm carbine to three home invaders threatening her two toddler children. :-) But for taking down a game animal, unless you're at close range, I'd be kinda leery. A previous poster mentioned bow-and-arrow distance with a 9mm, and I'd have to agree with that. Same applies to, say, the .40 S&W and .45 ACP cartridges; if I wanted to hunt with a "handgun cartridge" of those calibers, I'd choose a .41 Magnum or a Ruger/TC load of .45 Colt in a nice, stout Winchester levergun, assuming those chamberings were available in the Winchester.

[MARKFP]

[edgerly779]

Is drt non lead approved in Ca for hunting?