Quickload request -- 147 gr Gold Dot HP + Longshot

[godofgamblers]

Hi, I was wondering if a nice chap with Quickloads can help me calculate some pressure ratings and velocities.

9mm , projectile is 147 gr Gold dot HP
Powder is Longshot, 4.8 gr thru 5.1 grains
COL 1.125"
3" barrel

Now, I do realize that from Hodgdon's website their max for this setup is 4.7 gr of Longshot but for 1.100". I was wondering if going 1.125" would be slightly more forgiving. 5.1 gr might go to a compressed load, also curious as to how +P a 5.1 gr load would be (will it exceed the +P pressure max).

Thank you in advance.

[ar15barrels]

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 147, Speer HP GD 4002
Useable Case Capaci: 6.418 grain H2O = 0.417 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.100 inch = 27.94 mm
Barrel Length      : 4.0 inch = 101.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon Longshot

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   67     4.00    820     219   20095   3109     84.7    0.606
-18.0   69     4.10    839     230   21280   3214     85.8    0.590
-16.0   71     4.20    857     240   22524   3317     86.8    0.574
-14.0   72     4.30    876     251   23830   3420     87.8    0.559
-12.0   74     4.40    895     261   25199   3521     88.8    0.545
-10.0   76     4.50    913     272   26636   3621     89.7    0.531
-08.0   77     4.60    932     284   28144   3719     90.6    0.518
-06.0   79     4.70    951     295   29726   3816     91.4    0.505
-04.0   81     4.80    969     307   31387   3911     92.2    0.493  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   82     4.90    988     318   33130   4003     93.0    0.481  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   84     5.00   1006     330   34960   4094     93.7    0.470  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   86     5.10   1024     342   36883   4183     94.4    0.459  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   87     5.20   1043     355   38902   4268     95.0    0.448  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0   89     5.30   1061     367   41025   4352     95.6    0.438  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0   91     5.40   1079     380   43257   4432     96.2    0.428  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0   92     5.50   1097     393   45605   4510     96.7    0.419  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     84     5.00   1053     362   40834   4166     98.1    0.440  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     84     5.00    947     293   29292   3877     86.6    0.508

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 147, Speer HP GD 4002
Useable Case Capaci: 7.039 grain H2O = 0.457 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 3.0 inch = 76.2 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon Longshot

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   61     4.00    737     177   17618   4299     79.6    0.530
-18.0   63     4.10    755     186   18605   4457     80.7    0.517
-16.0   64     4.20    772     195   19637   4614     81.9    0.503
-14.0   66     4.30    789     203   20715   4772     82.9    0.490
-12.0   67     4.40    807     212   21841   4929     84.0    0.477
-10.0   69     4.50    824     222   23018   5086     85.0    0.465
-08.0   71     4.60    841     231   24247   5241     86.0    0.453
-06.0   72     4.70    859     241   25531   5396     87.0    0.442
-04.0   74     4.80    876     250   26872   5549     87.9    0.431
-02.0   75     4.90    893     260   28272   5701     88.8    0.420
+00.0   77     5.00    910     270   29734   5852     89.6    0.410
+02.0   78     5.10    927     281   31262   6000     90.5    0.401  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0   80     5.20    945     291   32857   6146     91.2    0.391  ! Near Maximum !
+06.0   81     5.30    962     302   34525   6290     92.0    0.382  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0   83     5.40    979     313   36267   6433     92.7    0.374  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0   84     5.50    996     324   38088   6572     93.4    0.365  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     77     5.00    959     300   34660   6104     95.4    0.382  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     77     5.00    852     237   24982   5418     81.5    0.446

[ar15barrels]

Other powder options:

Cartridge          : 9 mm Luger (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 147, Speer HP GD 4002
Useable Case Capaci: 7.039 grain H2O = 0.457 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.125 inch = 28.58 mm
Barrel Length      : 3.0 inch = 76.2 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 35000 psi, or 241 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 102 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate No.7                      101.0      7.0     0.45     989    72.4    35000    7114   0.374  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate No.5                       79.2      5.3     0.34     975    87.6    35000    6648   0.378  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant BULLSEYE                    92.5      4.0     0.26     971    99.1    35000    6161   0.378  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant POWER PISTOL               102.0      5.3     0.34     968    82.5    31915    7022   0.392  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Silhouette                  87.0      4.9     0.32     968    96.9    35000    6187   0.380  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon HS-6                        86.1      5.5     0.36     967    90.1    35000    6402   0.380  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester WAP                      87.2      4.9     0.32     967    96.6    35000    6192   0.380  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Longshot                    81.7      5.3     0.35     967    92.2    35000    6330   0.380  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 540                      79.6      5.3     0.35     966    92.5    35000    6309   0.380  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot True Blue                   80.9      5.3     0.35     966    92.3    35000    6309   0.380  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N330                     99.9      4.2     0.27     958   100.0    35000    5407   0.383  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Universal                   99.2      4.1     0.27     955   100.0    35000    5548   0.390  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

[godofgamblers]

Thank you kind sir, this does make my day!

[ar15barrels]

Thank you kind sir, this does make my day!

Notice that I ran the 1.1" OAL at 4" so you can compare it to Hodgdons pressure/velocity.
If they don't match, then you can't trust the 3" 1.125" Quickload simulation to be comparable to the Hodgdons data.

Sometimes, just seeing the 0.1gr progression is helpful enough to see what you needed to see.