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  • #31
    ar15barrels
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 57171

    Originally posted by five.five-six
    The 7 that failed still could have been the longest of the batch.
    Exactly.
    Try screwing the die down another 0.001" or 0.002" for your next test batch and see if the problem goes away.

    My trick for knowing how far you are turning a die goes as follows:
    Cut a trip of masking tape around 3" long.
    Lay a mm ruler next to it and make marks on the tape for every mm.
    The fancy version is to buy or print out an adhesive backed mm scale.
    Wrap the scale around the 7/8" threads of the die just above the lock nut.
    Make a pencil or sharpie mark on the lock nut that points to one of the mm marks.

    In use, you count the mm marks that go past the mark on the nut as you are adjusting the die.
    Each 1mm mark gives you about 0.001" of die movement.
    Depending on your tape thickness, this method is within about 0.002" over a full rotation but you don't need to worry about additive error when you are only looking to make single digit corrections.
    Randall Rausch

    AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
    Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
    Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
    Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
    Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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    • #32
      divingin
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2015
      • 2522

      Guffey was actually right on this one. Take a fired piece of brass, run it into the sizing die, leave the ram at it's uppermost travel, and use a feeler gauge to see how much space is opened up between the bottom of the die and the shell plate. Assuming you need the full travel to set your shoulder back, lower the ram and adjust your die down by that amount.

      Brass that has been fired in a looser chamber or brass that is insufficiently lubed will exacerbate this problem, making a case for trying to be consistent when reloading.

      Reloaders don't know this (sorry; couldn't help myself.)

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      • #33
        ar15barrels
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 57171

        Originally posted by divingin
        Take a fired piece of brass, run it into the sizing die, leave the ram at it's uppermost travel, and use a feeler gauge to see how much space is opened up between the bottom of the die and the shell plate.
        I have posts about this going 15 years back.
        Randall Rausch

        AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
        Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
        Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
        Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
        Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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        • #34
          divingin
          Veteran Member
          • Jul 2015
          • 2522

          I understand that. OP may not though.

          I was just pointing out that Guffey posted something that made sense (that time, anyway.)

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          • #35
            edgerly779
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • Aug 2009
            • 19871

            Limp hammer spring. Light strike.

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            • #36
              baih777
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Jul 2011
              • 5680

              Originally posted by five.five-six
              I don't know. I think it's a RRA SS NM LPK. seems heavy but it's really smooth so I'm not sure. RRA NM triggers are my go-to
              I have those triggers in 4 of my ARs .
              2 in a AR15. And 2 in AR308.
              One trigger was nothing but a headache. Light primer strikes. I even tried bending the spring for more tension. Tried stock springs. Nothing worked. Trigger is still sitting on my bench.
              Try a stock trigger to test.
              Ended up with ALG trigger with JP springs. Set with the red hammer spring.
              JP set with yellow hammer spring gave me light primer strikes.
              Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
              I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
              I'm Back.

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              • #37
                five.five-six
                CGN Contributor
                • May 2006
                • 34924

                Originally posted by baih777
                I have those triggers in 4 of my ARs .
                2 in a AR15. And 2 in AR308.
                One trigger was nothing but a headache. Light primer strikes. I even tried bending the spring for more tension. Tried stock springs. Nothing worked. Trigger is still sitting on my bench.
                Try a stock trigger to test.
                Ended up with ALG trigger with JP springs. Set with the red hammer spring.
                JP set with yellow hammer spring gave me light primer strikes.

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                • #38
                  MongooseV8
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 4426

                  Those primers dont appear to have been burned at all, the compound is still intact. So you either have bad primers or light strikes.

                  Sometimes after a light strike you cant set the primer off due to the deformation.

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                  • #39
                    five.five-six
                    CGN Contributor
                    • May 2006
                    • 34924

                    Originally posted by MongooseV8
                    Those primers dont appear to have been burned at all, the compound is still intact. So you either have bad primers or light strikes.

                    Sometimes after a light strike you cant set the primer off due to the deformation.
                    Right!


                    Eye protection and a framing hammer?

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                    • #40
                      ar15barrels
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 57171

                      Originally posted by MongooseV8
                      Sometimes after a light strike you cant set the primer off due to the deformation.
                      Most of the time.
                      Randall Rausch

                      AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                      Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                      Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                      Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                      Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                      • #41
                        ar15barrels
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 57171

                        Originally posted by five.five-six
                        Eye protection and a framing hammer?
                        8 shots of jack, half hour break, framing hammer and no eye protection.
                        Randall Rausch

                        AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                        Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                        Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                        Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                        Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                        • #42
                          five.five-six
                          CGN Contributor
                          • May 2006
                          • 34924

                          Originally posted by ar15barrels
                          8 shots of jack, half hour break, framing hammer and no eye protection.
                          Pfft, I learned that on youtube decades ago


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                          • #43
                            FLIGHT762
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 3072

                            Pfft, I learned that BEFORE Youtube.

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                            • #44
                              five.five-six
                              CGN Contributor
                              • May 2006
                              • 34924

                              so here's my plan

                              there's still 40 primers in my 550

                              I bought 1k processed brass from a seller here on calguns spotchecked and they seem almost lose in my Dillon gauge


                              I'll load 40 with the CCI41's in this new brass and mark them with a red sharpie

                              then I'll load another 40 with wolf KVB556M and mark them with green sharpie

                              I'll bring 2 guns out Saturday morning and report my findings.

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                              • #45
                                quig
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 781

                                Originally posted by nedro
                                I'm sure it's just an optical illusion, but your primers all look like they are set too deep.
                                This is my vote as well. Tough by photos, but I think they are pressed in too deep.

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