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  • mrkurtz
    Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 174

    Primers Not Seating

    In my limited reloading career I have only done large bore rifles. I have decided to work up some really accurate loads for my 223. The problem I am having is that I cannot seat the primers. The brass is as clean as a new. I am using the proper Remington 7 1/2 small rifle primers. I am using an RCBS hand primer with the small white primer feed and the small seating rod. It is taking a tremendous amount of pressure to get the primer to seat even partially. When I finally managed to get the case out they are at an angle. I am using Federal American eagle brass not military. I have never encountered this problem loading British 303, 30-06, 45 -70 or 308. I guess I have never used small primers before they have always been a large rifle.
    Any ideas as to why I am having this problem? I could see if it was military brass the primer pockets might be too tight but it is not.
  • #2
    sargenv
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 4620

    I do believe that Fed Am Eagle 223 has crimped primer pockets.. you likely need to swage the primer pockets and that will solve your issue. The only non crimped 223 these days that I've found is Remington..

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    • #3
      Divernhunter
      Calguns Addict
      • May 2010
      • 8753

      ^^^ ding-ding-ding We have a winner. Seems as if all 223 brass is crimped or staked.
      A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
      NRA Life Member, NRA certified RSO & Basic Pistol Instructor, Hunter, shooter, reloader
      SCI, Manteca Sportsmen Club, Coalinga Rifle Club, Escalon Sportsmans Club, Waterford Sportsman Club & NAHA Member, Madison Society member

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      • #4
        pacrat
        I need a LIFE!!
        • May 2014
        • 10280

        For small amounts of cases. A regular case deburring tool easily removes the crimp. For a lot of cases. Get a swaging tool.

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        • #5
          bruce381
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 2450

          Originally posted by sargenv
          I do believe that Fed Am Eagle 223 has crimped primer pockets.. you likely need to swage the primer pockets and that will solve your issue. The only non crimped 223 these days that I've found is Remington..
          + 1 that's it get a reamer

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          • #6
            hambam105
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2013
            • 7083



            You don't need the coax reloading press. The typical O or C type press will do just fine.
            If you just got to have the RCBS swager kit I'll make you a deal.

            The reason for using the crimp removal swager tool is not just for small batches, but for producing uniform primer pocket results.

            Ask about 'Pin Gauges' from reputable sources such as the folks at Redding or Forester.

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            • #7
              troysland
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 2182


              Just enough to remove the crimp.
              Originally posted by Colonel David Crockett
              "Ya'll can go to hell, I'm goin' to Texas!"

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              • #8
                divingin
                Veteran Member
                • Jul 2015
                • 2522

                Originally posted by troysland
                Just enough to remove the crimp.
                Takes about a turn if doing by hand. If using a power drill just a touch of the brass to the tool. Best to do one at a time and try and seat the primer until you figure out how much to remove - Less is better than more.

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                • #9
                  Sir Toast
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 3140

                  Get the Lyman case prepper machine. It is about $120, comes with all the attachments and works amazing. The only thing it doesn't do is trim the case to length. I've used it to prep thousands of cases and it works great. It removes crimps and cleans out the primer pockets really well. (Oh, and it doesn't uniform the flash hole, which I have to do by hand, but only on precision brass.)

                  Last edited by Sir Toast; 03-25-2020, 8:50 AM.

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                  • #10
                    NoHeavyHitter
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 2876

                    I have set of the primer pocket swagers from RCBS. I also have an RCBS de-burring tool. I've found that it's far easier (and faster) to use the de-burring tool than the swagers that have sat idle on my bench. I especially like the de-burring tool when removing primer crimps from bulk quantities. Been doing it this way for well over 35 years and my drill just won't die...

                    Last edited by NoHeavyHitter; 08-02-2020, 1:33 PM.

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                    • #11
                      hambam105
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 7083

                      The response to deploy Harbor Freight class power tools against the frustration of crimped primer pockets
                      cause may appear justifiable.

                      However, if the Reloader seeks a upper level of uniformity to his assembled cartridges then properly
                      sized primer pockets are required.


                      The practice of using sharpened non adjustable tools of any kind on primer pockets is antithetical to the reloading
                      practices that the professional shooters & Reloaders that I know commonly use.
                      Last edited by hambam105; 03-25-2020, 3:02 PM.

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                      • #12
                        pacrat
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • May 2014
                        • 10280

                        Originally posted by NoHeavyHitter
                        I have set of the primer pocket swagers from RCBS. I also have an RCBS de-burring tool. I've found that it's far easier (and faster) to use the de-burring tool than the swagers that have sat idle on my bench. I especially like the de-burring tool when removing primer crimps from bulk quantities. Been doing it this way for well over 35 years and my drill just won't die...

                        That looks like an old SEARS branded Black and Decker.

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                        • #13
                          hambam105
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 7083

                          Pacrat

                          You know it's a real Sears power drill when you plug it in and see the sparks fly out from the drill motor air vents.

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