primed 223

[cgseanp1]

grafs has primed 223 in stock, 500 for like 120 or 1000 for 230ish.. Not sure if its a good deal, but probably still cheaper than buying loaded ammo if you already have a reloading set up.

[waterworld]

1000 primers normaly sold for about $20.00

true i is cheeper than factory loads but at least I am accumulating some brass waiting for primers to get real.

[ghostrider]

1000 primers normaly sold for about $20.00

true i is cheeper than factory loads but at least I am accumulating some brass waiting for primers to get real.

The key word being "Normaly" there is nothing normal anymore
the funny thing is that someome will actually buy it
I have accumulated almost 6000 spent cases from my gun club mostly once fired

[cgseanp1]

What's so funny about it? Wouldn't it still be cheaper to buy this primed brass and other componets than going out and buying factory loaded ammo? and ya, SR primers normally go for 25/1000. Now it's more like 50+ IF you are lucky..

[ghostrider]

Lets see how it adds up, rough estimates based on internet pricing to make 1000rnds of ammo

$230 for your 1000 primed brass casses
$157 for 8lbs of Hodgdon BL-C(2) shipped/hazmat at 26 grains of powder
per round you could make you approx 2150 rounds
with 4lbs of powder at $103 will make you approx 1076 bullets
$89 for 1000 Berry's Manufacturing 55grn FMJBT Bullets not including ship

total= $476 with 8lbs of powder buy in or $422 with 4lbs of powder

So what's a case of a thousand factory loads go for these days?
I recently bought 1000 rnds of PMC at $399+tax

So really not affordable to reload in this case for me yes 10,000+ primers and 40lbs of powder and 8000 bullets waiting for the reloader

[markw]

Lets see how it adds up, rough estimates based on internet pricing to make 1000rnds of ammo

$230 for your 1000 primed brass casses
$157 for 8lbs of Hodgdon BL-C(2) shipped/hazmat at 26 grains of powder
per round you could make you approx 2150 rounds
with 4lbs of powder at $103 will make you approx 1076 bullets
$89 for 1000 Berry's Manufacturing 55grn FMJBT Bullets not including ship

total= $476 with 8lbs of powder buy in or $422 with 4lbs of powder

So what's a case of a thousand factory loads go for these days?
I recently bought 1000 rnds of PMC at $399+tax

So really not affordable to reload in this case for me yes 10,000+ primers and 40lbs of powder and 8000 bullets waiting for the reloader

You can make it cheaper by using 4198, 19 grains for a 55g fmj.
My numbers are right at .15-.16 cents per round to reload existing brass.

$230 for primed brass would raise that to .36-.37 per round.

$120 for prepped unprimed brass would have it at .27-.28 per round.

My numbers are based on my last purchases of $137 for 8lbs of 4198 to the doorstep. 124 for 6k small rifle primers (winchester), and 75 bucks for 1000 .223 bullets. The pre-primed brass definately puts the first round at factory ammo prices.

[Sinixstar]

Doesn't really seem worth it. .223 ammo is becoming much more common and easy to find these days. Pretty much every store I go in regularly has at least some laying around - and many of the bigger stores have cases upon cases stacked up. Price might be abnormally high right now, but it doesn't seem to be selling that quickly at those prices. My guess is .223 will be one of the first things to come back into regular rotation, and one of the first things they're forced to lower the prices on again.

If you don't *really* need it - it doesn't seem worth it.

[rabagley]

Lets see how it adds up, rough estimates based on internet pricing to make 1000rnds of ammo

$230$25+$30 for your 1000 primed brass casses since these will last for about 8 reloads and I value the primers at about $30/k
$157$73 for 8lbs of Hodgdon BL-C(2) shipped/hazmat at 26 grains of powder
per round you could make you approx 2150 rounds 1000/2150 * $157 = $73
with 4lbs of powder at $103 will make you approx 1076 bullets
$89 for 1000 Berry's Manufacturing 55grn FMJBT Bullets not including ship

total= $476$217 with 8lbs of powder buy in or $422$247 with 4lbs of powder

So what's a case of a thousand factory loads go for these days?
I recently bought 1000 rnds of PMC at $399+tax

So really not affordable to reload in this case for me yes 10,000+ primers and 40lbs of powder and 8000 bullets waiting for the reloader

After the numbers are corrected to the way reloaders calculate costs, the marginal price to reload 1000 rounds of .223 seems pretty attractive to me. Alternatively stated, it's only expensive to get started reloading (but no more expensive than buying factory). Every round into cases you've already fired or otherwise got for free (picked up at the range) is MUCH cheaper than factory.

[rabagley]

For a slightly different round, the math is even more extreme. 458 SOCOM. Nominal cost for factory ammo is $3/round and the volume pricing doesn't do much to bring that down. 1000 rounds is more or less $3000.

$130 1k unprimed brass ($650/1k, these last at least 5 reloads in an AR)
$26 1k WLP primers
$77 Enough H110 to load 1000 rounds (5# at 35gr/round). 8# jug for $122 to my door.
$240 1k Remington 405gr softpoint bullets.

$473 marginal expense for 1000 rounds. Or using your math, $1038 to get started reloading 1000 rounds.

So for the cost of 1000 factory rounds, I can buy the reloading components for 1000 reloads and have $1962 to spend on a rifle to shoot them. I think the cost difference for .223 is impressive enough, but it's when you get away from 9mm and .223 that the cost differences really get big.

[cgseanp1]

I didn't realize how much powder you'd need.