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  • nokarma
    Member
    • Feb 2005
    • 312

    Help with 9mm reloads!!!!

  • #2
    Beelzy
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2008
    • 9224

    Its your crimp........I would lose the Factory crimp die and use the standard
    crimp die.

    You only need enough "crimp" to take the flare out. I think the factory crimp
    die is the answer to the question nobody asked. IMO
    "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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    • #3
      ronas
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 758

      This is just a stab but can the sizer die be screwed down any further on the shellplate?

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      • #4
        Sheldon
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 2147

        Where do the rounds stop at on your drop gauge? It could be a lot of things but it would help to know where the cases are bulged at.

        Bullets will start off crooked when being seated and if there is not enough belling on the case mouth, they won't straighten as they seat and will bulge out one side of the case sometimes causing issues. With enough belling the bullets will straighten better as they seat.

        The case rims sometimes get dinged and that will cause them not to drop into a gauge smoothly/completely.

        Have you tried to shoot any of the ammo and did they feed and shot ok or have you only tried them in the drop gauge?
        Last edited by Sheldon; 05-02-2009, 4:31 PM.

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        • #5
          nokarma
          Member
          • Feb 2005
          • 312

          Sizer is screwed down to the point that it touches the shell plate when the ram is in the up position.
          I was trying the factory crimp die due to the fact that it was supposed to do a post bullet seating resize. I would be more then happy to go back to the Dillon dies. The Dillon dies seem to be of higher quality.
          NoKarma

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          • #6
            stretch64
            Member
            • Dec 2007
            • 173

            I load the Bear Creek 125gr LRN for practice ammo. Push your OAL back to 1.100. They have a fatter profile that engages the rifling if loaded to 1.110 or longer (at least that's the case in the M&P I load them for).
            I'd also back your load off .2gr if you reduce the OAL and work back up. You're at suggested max with 4.4gr.
            Last edited by stretch64; 05-02-2009, 5:09 PM.

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            • #7
              f4tweet
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 2016

              Bullet might be touching the lands in the barrel.

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              • #8
                Sideline Shooter
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 514

                Beelzy has it right, it is your crimp. Jacketed bullets are .355 and your lead bullets are .356, you need to crimp it down one more thousands of an inch to take out the bulge. That is the problem I had with my lead bullet loads.

                And I hate them, the lube smokes alot when fired. But we gotta do what we gotta do to keep shooting.

                Sideline Shooter

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                • #9
                  J-cat
                  Calguns Addict
                  • May 2005
                  • 6626

                  Maybe you should measure your reloads with your caliper and compare the measurements to a factory round. That will tell you if the case is bulged from improper crimping.

                  If it ain't that, then it's your OAL.

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                  • #10
                    nokarma
                    Member
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 312

                    Originally posted by stretch64
                    I load the Bear Creek 125gr LRN for practice ammo. Push your OAL back to 1.100. They have a fatter profile that engages the rifling if loaded to 1.110 or longer (at least that's the case in the M&P I load them for).
                    I'd also back your load off .2gr if you reduce the OAL and work back up. You're at suggested max with 4.4gr.

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                    • #11
                      Gunfighter01
                      Member
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 198

                      I've shot over 5000 rnds of 147gr Precision LFP and about 500 rnds of Bear Creek 125 LRN in my Glock 34 with a Lone Wolf Barrel with absolutely no problems. And the Lone Wolf barrel has a tighter chamber than a stock barrel. I use a Dillon 550 with stock Dillon Dies except for the EGW Undersizing Die. I dont use a case guage anymore. I check every single round in the chamber of the barrel i plan on shooting them out of. I noticed that, when using a case guage, they would fit in the case guage fine but, when checking them in the chamber of the lone wolf barrel, they wouldnt chamber all the way. Another thing i learned was, just because they wont chamber in my lone wolf barrel, didnt mean they wouldnt chamber in another Gun. I put them aside in a container and one day decided to chamber check them in my Sig 228. And almost every round chambered just fine in my 228. So, i labeled them Chamber checked ok for Sig 228 and i use them for that gun.

                      SIDE NOTE: with alot of uspsa shooters making major out of 9mm, the rounds are very hot and bulge brass terribley. Even when using the EGW undersizer die, dont expect every round you make to chamber. I average about 5 rounds out of a 100 that wont chamber in my Lone Wolf barrel due to over bulging near the rim, and i believe its from brass being loaded to make major in 9mm.

                      on both loads i use:

                      I have had great success with this load in a Glock 34 Lone Wolf barrel and a Sig P228

                      3.4gr WST 125gr Bear Creek LRN / 147gr Precision LFP
                      1.125 to 1.135 OAL
                      .375 Crimp

                      This is a very light load. According to my chrono data,

                      Average fps with 3.6 gr WST on 147's was 932 fps,,,,power factor 137,000

                      Average fps with 4.0 gr WST on 147's was 993 fps

                      Average fps with 3.4 gr WST on 125's was 963 fps power factor 120,250

                      Average fps with 4.6 gr WST on the 125's was 1110 fps
                      Last edited by Gunfighter01; 05-03-2009, 8:02 AM.

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                      • #12
                        LGB Loader
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 727

                        I could be a few things from OAL to crimp to even a small thing like a notch on the rim of the case made from the extractor.

                        I would start with the sizer die and set that up as best possible and go from there.

                        LGB
                        Training in The Peaceful Art to achieve unnatural naturalness and natural unnaturalness, BEcoming WATER while serving The Great I AM.

                        John 3:16

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                        • #13
                          J-cat
                          Calguns Addict
                          • May 2005
                          • 6626

                          Originally posted by Gunfighter01
                          I've shot over 5000 rnds of 147gr Precision LFP and about 500 rnds of Bear Creek 125 LRN in my Glock 34 with a Lone Wolf Barrel with absolutely no problems. And the Lone Wolf barrel has a tighter chamber than a stock barrel. I use a Dillon 550 with stock Dillon Dies except for the EGW Undersizing Die. I dont use a case guage anymore. I check every single round in the chamber of the barrel i plan on shooting them out of. I noticed that, when using a case guage, they would fit in the case guage fine but, when checking them in the chamber of the lone wolf barrel, they wouldnt chamber all the way. Another thing i learned was, just because they wont chamber in my lone wolf barrel, didnt mean they wouldnt chamber in another Gun. I put them aside in a container and one day decided to chamber check them in my Sig 228. And almost every round chambered just fine in my 228. So, i labeled them Chamber checked ok for Sig 228 and i use them for that gun.

                          SIDE NOTE: with alot of uspsa shooters making major out of 9mm, the rounds are very hot and bulge brass terribley. Even when using the EGW undersizer die, dont expect every round you make to chamber. I average about 5 rounds out of a 100 that wont chamber in my Lone Wolf barrel due to over bulging near the rim, and i believe its from brass being loaded to make major in 9mm.

                          on both loads i use:

                          I have had great success with this load in a Glock 34 Lone Wolf barrel and a Sig P228

                          3.4gr WST 125gr Bear Creek LRN / 147gr Precision LFP
                          1.125 to 1.135 OAL
                          .375 Crimp

                          This is a very light load. According to my chrono data,

                          Average fps with 3.6 gr WST on 147's was 932 fps,,,,power factor 137,000

                          Average fps with 4.0 gr WST on 147's was 993 fps

                          Average fps with 3.4 gr WST on 125's was 963 fps power factor 120,250

                          Average fps with 4.6 gr WST on the 125's was 1110 fps
                          Do you get any primer swipe with WST?

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