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  • #16
    bruce381
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 2452

    one last thing cases work harden with use and over time get hard and wil not flex or seal as a softer new one will

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    • #17
      fguffey
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 1408

      one last thing cases work harden with use and over time get hard and wil not flex or seal as a softer new one will
      Nothing like starting over a-new ever day; it would interesting to determine how much effort is required to expand the neck of a case that has been work-hardened, I have strain gages and I have little bitty neck espander ball ball assembles, I do not believe my press will handle 40.000 +psi, I can not imagine what it would take to get a case out of a die after being exposed to that kind of abuse.

      And then we have all of these reloaders that claim they fire the cases over and over until the necks split. So someone should ask: What is it? Does the case harden or does it get brittle?

      My cases must be exempt or immune because my cases get brittle and they have been know to work harden, but I believe there is a little confusion about work hardening. The more I shoot my cases the more I have to alter my attitude toward my brass.

      F. Guffey

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      • #18
        sofbak
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 2628

        Yes the case hardens. Yes it gets brittle. The metallurgical principle is called fatigue/stress fracture. Educate yourself here:

        This article is a basic introduction to the mechanism of metal fatigue failure where parts break after a period of time in service.
        Tire kickers gonna kick,
        Nose pickers gonna pick
        I and others know the real

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        • #19
          RestrictedColt
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2017
          • 773

          I get some neck soot on most loads, mine or factory.

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          • #20
            RestrictedColt
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2017
            • 773

            I get some neck soot on most loads, mine or factory.


            And kudos to all of you for ignoring the troll.

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            • #21
              smoothy8500
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 3846

              The Guffster? Yeah, it's routine. He gets automatic alerts whenever the keywords "headspace" or "neck tension" are typed in a forum.

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              • #22
                RestrictedColt
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2017
                • 773

                Pretty interesting theory, except I don't think either term was used before he chimed in.

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                • #23
                  divingin
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2015
                  • 2522

                  Originally posted by fguffey
                  I do not believe my press will handle 40.000 +psi, I can not imagine what it would take to get a case out of a die after being exposed to that kind of abuse.
                  I'm guessing 41 + psi.

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                  • #24
                    sofbak
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 2628

                    Wait. Is it 41 + psi or 41 + tensions?
                    Tire kickers gonna kick,
                    Nose pickers gonna pick
                    I and others know the real

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                    • #25
                      pacrat
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • May 2014
                      • 10285

                      Originally posted by sofbak
                      Wait. Is it 41 + psi or 41 + tensions?
                      That determination can easily be made with a "psi/tensions" feeler gage.

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