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  • Exdc
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 893

    Reloading .308 Win for precision: Satterlee 10 Round Load Development

    I have been trying to reload a round that shoots well out of my rifle for months, and I've "wasted" a lot of rounds on loads that didn't perform well (I've since acquired a bullet puller). I have also learned a lot about the practice and techniques for precision reloading. One of the things that kept coming up was a velocity based "ladder test" (which is useful for me because the longest range I have access to is 200yds) where a series of rounds are reloaded in increments of 1% of the maximum load. Since I have a bunch of powder, I figured I would try out each of them (still waiting on Varget) with the data available on either the manufacturer's website or in the Hornady reloading manual. Previously I tried 168gr Hornady BTHPs, 168gr SMKs, and 165gr SGKs with reasonably poor results in terms of consistency.

    On a whim I grabbed a box of Hornady ELD match (168gr) and that's what I used for this test. I'm using the Magnetospeed Sporter on the Wiser Precision mount.


    I'm shooting a 22" Marlin XS7 in .308 Winchester, mounted in a Boyds AT-ONE Stock.




    Here's how everything is graphing so far. I acknowledge that this was only one shot per load, but this is intentional to see how viable the 10 shot load development works before further refinement. I figured it's a decent way to get as much information as possible in the least amount of time. (Note: I shot the last 30 rounds on the 9th, thus different conditions)


    Based on the data it looks like Reloader-15 is the best option, pending results of Varget.


    But here are the other stats.





    Is my conclusion reasonable? It looks like anything between 43.6 and 44.2 grains of Reloader 15 has the best likelihood for consistently good performance. Is the next step to load a series of cartridges in 0.1gr increments?

    No obvious pressure signs or cratering on primers.

    Link to all photos:https://imgur.com/a/4bmut1s
    Last edited by Exdc; 04-10-2019, 4:30 PM.
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    Exdc
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 893

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    For anyone who wants to take 20 minutes of your life (because why on earth would you watch this on 1x when you have fast forward...?) watching the bullets make holes at 100 yards...

    The bullets were seated approximately 0.004" give or take 0.0005" off the lands based on my CBTO measurements using the comparator and a fire-formed case.

    Above: Measurement of Ogive at lands

    Above: Measurement of average seating depth

    I'm using the Hornady Lock-N-Load single stage press, and a Forster seating die. I recently picked up the Forster full length sizing die and I'm waiting for a Sinclair mandrel for setting the neck tension.

    Also, I know this isn't a "precision rifle" setup. I went the budget route when picking my first bolt action rifle, and now I'm making the best of it until I can afford what I really want. That said, it's a pretty decent gun and the price is hard to beat.
    Last edited by Exdc; 04-10-2019, 5:06 PM.
    Radical Centerist (That's me) Philosophy:
    Originally posted by Unknown
    "I want gay married couples to be able to protect their marijuana plants with guns." -Unknown (possibly Tim Moen)
    Originally posted by Allhailflintlocks
    Gun owners need to be the new illegals - undocumented firearm possessors if you will.
    Legislator "logic":
    Originally posted by Dezrat
    Before long, the Feds via A.D.A. will probably require manufacturers to include Braille markings to accommodate blind shooters.....

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      scotty99
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      • Dec 2009
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        Exdc
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 893

        Thanks scotty99. I'm not so concerned about having the bullets jammed against the lands as I am about having a consistent seating depth. I'll do the 5-10 round test with each of those loads and give it a go. This is exciting (:
        Radical Centerist (That's me) Philosophy:
        Originally posted by Unknown
        "I want gay married couples to be able to protect their marijuana plants with guns." -Unknown (possibly Tim Moen)
        Originally posted by Allhailflintlocks
        Gun owners need to be the new illegals - undocumented firearm possessors if you will.
        Legislator "logic":
        Originally posted by Dezrat
        Before long, the Feds via A.D.A. will probably require manufacturers to include Braille markings to accommodate blind shooters.....

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          smoothy8500
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          • Sep 2009
          • 3846

          deleted/irrelevant

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            mtenenhaus
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            • Jul 2007
            • 3416

            I wonder if this article might help a bit

            Identifying a consistent and accurate load for your precision rifle while improving the overall efficiency of the load development process is a laudable goal. The 6.5 Guys met with Scott Satterlee …

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              baih777
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              CGN Contributor
              • Jul 2011
              • 5680

              If you did not have any pressure signs at 45.2 with reloaded 15. I would start there.
              Make some loads for a ladder test going .1 at a time.
              For my savage 308. RL15 45.2 is what I load 168HPBT. But I am using military surplus brass.
              Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
              I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
              I'm Back.

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                Exdc
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 893

                Reloading .308 Win for precision: Satterlee 10 Round Load Development

                Originally posted by mtenenhaus
                I wonder if this article might help a bit

                http://www.65guys.com/10-round-load-...t-ladder-test/


                Read it and watched their (and several other people's) video. Seems like a pretty good way to save ammunition. That's actually where I heard about it (:

                Originally posted by baih777
                If you did not have any pressure signs at 45.2 with reloaded 15. I would start there.

                Make some loads for a ladder test going .1 at a time.

                For my savage 308. RL15 45.2 is what I load 168HPBT. But I am using military surplus brass.

                Thanks!I'll give it a go. I need to sort brass before the next run (most of it is LC but I found an odd FC in with it).


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                Radical Centerist (That's me) Philosophy:
                Originally posted by Unknown
                "I want gay married couples to be able to protect their marijuana plants with guns." -Unknown (possibly Tim Moen)
                Originally posted by Allhailflintlocks
                Gun owners need to be the new illegals - undocumented firearm possessors if you will.
                Legislator "logic":
                Originally posted by Dezrat
                Before long, the Feds via A.D.A. will probably require manufacturers to include Braille markings to accommodate blind shooters.....

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                  FLIGHT762
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 3072

                  Hornady 168 A MAX & OTM's shot well out of three of my 308 Rifles with 43.0 IMR 4064 and 43.5 Gr. of Rel-15.



                  Is your Rifle a consistent - 1 MOA Rifle?

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                    divingin
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jul 2015
                    • 2522

                    You may also want to read Berger's advice on finding seating depth for these long-nose secant-ogive bullets:

                    Getting the Best Precision and Accuracy from VLD bullets in Your Rifle. Background VLD bullets are designed with a secant ogive. This ogive shape allows bullets to be more efficient in flight (retain more velocity = less drop and wind deflection). While this result is desirable for many rifle shooters the secant ogive on the VLD bullets



                    My 6mmBR likes the Berger VLD at about .090" jump. Without Bergers advice, I doubt I would have tried seating that deep.

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                      Exdc
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 893

                      Reloading .308 Win for precision: Satterlee 10 Round Load Development

                      Originally posted by FLIGHT762
                      Hornady 168 A MAX & OTM's shot well out of three of my 308 Rifles with 43.0 IMR 4064 and 43.5 Gr. of Rel-15.







                      Is your Rifle a consistent - 1 MOA Rifle?


                      I have squeezed about 1.3 moa with factory federal soft tip (148gr). It's a hunting rifle, but I believe it's possible to find something that will consistently shoot sub moa.


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                      Last edited by Exdc; 04-11-2019, 7:04 PM.
                      Radical Centerist (That's me) Philosophy:
                      Originally posted by Unknown
                      "I want gay married couples to be able to protect their marijuana plants with guns." -Unknown (possibly Tim Moen)
                      Originally posted by Allhailflintlocks
                      Gun owners need to be the new illegals - undocumented firearm possessors if you will.
                      Legislator "logic":
                      Originally posted by Dezrat
                      Before long, the Feds via A.D.A. will probably require manufacturers to include Braille markings to accommodate blind shooters.....

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