WIN NT 45acp SPP crimped brass

[desertrider]

Look out for this stuff, it's crimped and will really throw a wrench in your flow if you schedule your reloading time like I do.

I normally just toss all my SPP 45acp into a coffee can and set it aside and never bother to separate by manufacturer. Well, I finally decided to load some of it as I'm running low on non magnum LPP's. I just emptied about half a can in the tumbler and after cleaning started loading.

First several cases primed no problem, then one that was real hard and took way more pressure than usual. Inspected it and primer was still too high. Kept going and a few rounds later same thing. A few rounds later again.

I noticed that all the problem rounds were WIN NT, while everything else ran fine.

Effin A, I ain't got time to waste on separating all the brass I was planning to load! Had to do it though.

Sure enough, closer inspection showed a crimp on all the NT's.....





And the three that wouldn't prime....





Ran all the NT's through my swager and problem fixed. Here's a pic of crimped, swaged, and primed.




You've been warned, 45acp with SPP are the spawn of the devil.


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[mikeyr]

I throw away ALL SPP .45's, I wont even bother with them. I wish they had never made the SPP .45ACP

[Fishslayer]

Crimps are showing up in civvie 9mm too.

I throw away ALL SPP .45's, I wont even bother with them. I wish they had never made the SPP .45ACP

Remember the Great Primer Drought when LPP were unobtainium? I do. I save my SPP .45 brass.

[ptmn]

I only use small primer 45 for places where I know I won't be able to pick up all my brass.

[RestrictedColt]

I thought spp was the current standard for .45; is it not? And assuming it is why avoid the stuff? Unless you just have a lot of lpp brass and are trying to keep the spp away.

Seems to me that ditching the lpp brass accepting the spp is a safer bet. If a lpp case comes onto the press and you're using spp it's no big deal, as long as you're feeling them seat. Seems like less of a headache than crushing a lpp against a spp case.

We have lots of .45 ammo so I haven't even started processing it, but I think the brass I have is spp.

[Ronsports8]

[desertrider]

I only use small primer 45 for places where I know I won't be able to pick up all my brass.

^^^^ Kind of my reason for loading this batch of SPP.

I'll be shooting at an indoor range that allows collecting your brass, but sometimes brass ends up forward of the firing line, and some creeps into the next lanes shooting area on both sides of the line. I still police what I know is mine, but other times it's just easier to leave it.

[divingin]

I thought spp was the current standard for .45; is it not?

Nope. Large pistol primer was the norm until fairly recently when Blazer, Winchester, Federal, and few others started using small primers. I believe the change was made to begin using lead-free primers, which have a different brisance that made the change necessary (or at least desirable, anyway.) Non-issue for reloaders, since the primers are not publicly available at the component level.

And assuming it is why avoid the stuff?

Because the flow of reloading gets screwed up when you try to stuff a large primer in a small primer pocket.

[trackcage]

Which is worse?

SPP .45 brass
or
Stepped 9mm brass?

For me, although SPP .45 brass is annoying, I care much more about all the crappy brass that flows into 9mm these days

[desertrider]

Stepped brass?

I don't shoot 9mm, is this something specific to 9mm? It obviously can't be stepped externally 'cause it could never chamber properly, so you mean it's stepped internally?

How the hell can it be full length resized?

I hate having to scan for small primers, I can't imagine having to look in a dirty case to look for a step.

I'm just gonna put it out there that SPP 45's and stepped 9mm brass is the Democrats doing, and entirely their fault.

[trackcage]

Stepped brass?

I don't shoot 9mm, is this something specific to 9mm? It obviously can't be stepped externally 'cause it could never chamber properly, so you mean it's stepped internally?

How the hell can it be full length resized?

I hate having to scan for small primers, I can't imagine having to look in a dirty case to look for a step.

I'm just gonna put it out there that SPP 45's and stepped 9mm brass is the Democrats doing, and entirely their fault.

Yep, stepped internally and can result in a weakened case causing case separation and half a piece of brass stuck in your chamber. Stepped brass manufacturers are becoming more common...

No argument on your last point...

[divingin]

Stepped brass manufacturers are becoming more common...

Do you have an example of a manufacturer of stepped brass? Headstamp used? I don't shoot 9mm, so have never looked closely. I am a little curious about it though, so that would help me keep an eye out for it.

[NeilMo]

Do you have an example of a manufacturer of stepped brass? Headstamp used? I don't shoot 9mm, so have never looked closely. I am a little curious about it though, so that would help me keep an eye out for it.

Freedom Munitions was one I remember using stepped brass, headstamped IMT and FM. Last I heard they stopped using it but there's probably several million cases still in circulation. What I read is those cases have 9%-10% less volume, so if you load light they're probably fine, but load to max and all bets are off. It goes straight in the trash when I find it. I can't recall coming across any other manufacturers using stepped brass other than Freedom, but I'm sure they're out there.

[trackcage]

Ammoland is another one. I *think* Xtreme brass might also be stepped but don't quote me on that one

[Catch]

Maxxtech in 9, can be found at bass pro, is stepped.