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  • Kwikvette
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2015
    • 3704

    Dumb question; .308 vs .308 Match Brass

    I'm sure I already know the answer but I'm going to ask the question;

    I gave away a ton of once fired brass with the intent to stick with one brand.

    I've found brass in both .308 Winchester and .308 Winchester Match

    The rifle I plan to purchase brass for has a .308 Winchester Match chamber, and was built by Spartan Precision (stupid accurate rifle).

    I've shot FGMM .308 with great results.

    I've reloaded my own .308 recipe with .308 brass and achieved slightly better than great results.

    The reason for .308 Winchester Match, I assume, is that the brass is a closer match to my chamber vs fire forming .308 brass, correct?

    So is it then just a marketing gimmick to ask more for .308 Winchester Match than .308 Winchester
    Originally posted by longrange1
    my gun shoots better with shiny brass...plus not only does the shiny brass make me look like a pimp at the range if the sun catches it just right it blinds the guy next to me which improves my odds of winning the match.
    Originally posted by XDJYo
    Full size. Stubbies are for sissies.
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    smoothy8500
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 3846

    Originally posted by Kwikvette
    The reason for .308 Winchester Match, I assume, is that the brass is a closer match to my chamber vs fire forming .308 brass, correct?

    So is it then just a marketing gimmick to ask more for .308 Winchester Match than .308 Winchester
    Depending on the "Match" reamer spec, your chamber may be tighter in the body/shoulder (Obermeyer), tight-neck, or have a different throat/leade (95 Palma, M118 Match). What is your "Match" chambering spec?

    As for the brass, supposedly some mfr are more stringent in weight and thickness of the brass. Others such as LC, Match basically means there is no primer crimp or uses OTM projectile.

    Sticking to one mfr of brass makes sense regardless. At least you will find one load and be consistent. Peterson seems to be the new standard for quality brass.
    Last edited by smoothy8500; 01-22-2019, 1:35 PM.

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    • #3
      ar15barrels
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2006
      • 57136

      Originally posted by Kwikvette
      The reason for .308 Winchester Match, I assume, is that the brass is a closer match to my chamber vs fire forming .308 brass, correct?
      No.

      Match brass is supposed to be more consistent throughout a lot than standard brass.
      Randall Rausch

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      • #4
        Kwikvette
        Veteran Member
        • Oct 2015
        • 3704

        Originally posted by smoothy8500
        Depending on the "Match" reamer spec, your chamber may be tighter in the body/shoulder (Obermeyer), tight-neck, or have a different throat/leade (95 Palma, M118 Match). What is your "Match" chambering spec?

        As for the brass, supposedly some mfr are more stringent in weight and thickness of the brass. Others such as LC, Match basically means there is no primer crimp or uses OTM projectile.

        Sticking to one mfr of brass makes sense regardless. At least you will find one load and be consistent. Peterson seems to be the new standard for quality brass.
        Originally posted by ar15barrels
        No.

        Match brass is supposed to be more consistent throughout a lot than standard brass.
        So then 'Match' brass is marketed the same way as 'Match' ammo; more consistent overall vs non-match.

        I guess it'll just be safe to buy something like Peterson brass for my .308, and I can just ignore the 'Match' part since quality brass will be much more consistent anyway.

        I've got a lot of Nosler that I've had great success with in my .300wm

        We can put this thread to rest then; I only asked because I happen to own (and have seen online), .308 Match chamberings.
        Originally posted by longrange1
        my gun shoots better with shiny brass...plus not only does the shiny brass make me look like a pimp at the range if the sun catches it just right it blinds the guy next to me which improves my odds of winning the match.
        Originally posted by XDJYo
        Full size. Stubbies are for sissies.

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        • #5
          longrange1
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2015
          • 1032

          buy better brass and do not drink the match coolaid...its the same brass with fancy box

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          • #6
            Kwikvette
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2015
            • 3704

            Originally posted by longrange1
            buy better brass and do not drink the match coolaid...its the same brass with fancy box
            As long as it's shiny right
            Originally posted by longrange1
            my gun shoots better with shiny brass...plus not only does the shiny brass make me look like a pimp at the range if the sun catches it just right it blinds the guy next to me which improves my odds of winning the match.
            Originally posted by XDJYo
            Full size. Stubbies are for sissies.

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            • #7
              smoothy8500
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 3846

              So out of curiosity, what chamber spec is your rifle?

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              • #8
                Kwikvette
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2015
                • 3704

                Originally posted by smoothy8500
                So out of curiosity, what chamber spec is your rifle?
                Can find out tomorrow.
                Originally posted by longrange1
                my gun shoots better with shiny brass...plus not only does the shiny brass make me look like a pimp at the range if the sun catches it just right it blinds the guy next to me which improves my odds of winning the match.
                Originally posted by XDJYo
                Full size. Stubbies are for sissies.

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                • #9
                  MongooseV8
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 4426

                  Most standard match chambers Ive seen are just a longer throat to load the long skinny bullets out as far as possible.

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                  • #10
                    longrange1
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2015
                    • 1032

                    Originally posted by Kwikvette
                    As long as it's shiny right
                    shinny brass is better than match brass any day.

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                    • #11
                      J-cat
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2005
                      • 6626

                      Originally posted by Kwikvette

                      The reason for .308 Winchester Match, I assume, is that the brass is a closer match to my chamber vs fire forming .308 brass, correct?

                      So is it then just a marketing gimmick to ask more for .308 Winchester Match than .308 Winchester

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                      • #12
                        ar15barrels
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 57136

                        Originally posted by MongooseV8
                        Most standard match chambers Ive seen are just a longer throat to load the long skinny bullets out as far as possible.
                        Or in the case of a 308, shorter than normal if they are setup for 155's.
                        Randall Rausch

                        AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                        Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                        Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                        Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
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                        • #13
                          smoothy8500
                          Veteran Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 3846

                          It seems a lot of shooters with "Match" chambers don't know exactly what chamber they have or what the specs mean.

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                          • #14
                            ar15barrels
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 57136

                            Originally posted by smoothy8500
                            It seems a lot of shooters with "Match" chambers don't know exactly what chamber they have or what the specs mean.
                            I have 6 or 7 different 308 match reamers.
                            I have marked the throat length and the neck diameter on each of the reamer tubes.
                            I select a reamer based on asking the customer what ammo or bullets they want to run.
                            I log what reamer I used on their build sheet.
                            Any of my customers can request that info later if they didn't take a picture of their build sheet on the build day.
                            Randall Rausch

                            AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                            Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                            Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                            Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                            • #15
                              jimmykan
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 3093

                              Originally posted by smoothy8500
                              It seems a lot of shooters with "Match" chambers don't know exactly what chamber they have or what the specs mean.
                              I like the 1995 Palma chamber for 308.

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