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  • KenLS
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 15

    6.5 PRC

    Anyone loading this with non-lead bullets yet?
    Hornady has the GMX 120gr.
    Since these are shorter & lighter than the 140 ELDs, are the ballistics affected much?
    Where can I get load data on the non-lead in this round as Hornady only shows the 140 ELD Load Data.
  • #2
    DDRH
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Mar 2008
    • 2756

    the 120gr GMX might be as long as the 140 ELD-M. I'd use the 140 data, start low as usual.

    Personally i'd look for something in the 130gr range. Currently using Barnes 127 LRX on my Creedmoor. Will probably use the same thing on my PRC build.

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    • #3
      Russ661
      Junior Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 94

      I get excellent accuracy with the Hornady 130g GMX in my 270 Winchester, sub-MOA @ 300 yards, much better than the 130g Nosler E-Tip. The Barnes 130g TTSX were accurate for me as well but needed to be driven really fast for best performance and copper fouled my barrel quickly. The Hornady GMX doesn't seem to copper foul the barrel as badly as either one of the others and doesn't require magnum-like velocities to be accurate. YMMV

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      • #4
        KenLS
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2017
        • 15

        Thanks. Where are you finding Brass right now? Looks like Hornady out everywhere

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        • #5
          DDRH
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Mar 2008
          • 2756

          Bertram makes brass for 6.5 PRC.

          Edit: nmind sold out too.

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          • #6
            ar15barrels
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2006
            • 57134

            Originally posted by KenLS
            Anyone loading this with non-lead bullets yet?
            Hornady has the GMX 120gr.
            Since these are shorter & lighter than the 140 ELDs, are the ballistics affected much?
            Where can I get load data on the non-lead in this round as Hornady only shows the 140 ELD Load Data.
            I don't have the 6.5PRC in my quickload file, but from what I understand, the powder capacity is 3-4gr less than a 6.5saum.
            Here is a Quickload pass for 6.5saum with the case capacity lowered by 4gr and the pressure held back to 62k PSI instead of 65k PSI because most cartridges shoot better a little under max pressure than right at the limit:

            Code:
            Cartridge          : 6.5 mm RSAUM
            Bullet             : .264, 120, Hornady GMX 26110
            Useable Case Capaci: 65.163 grain H2O = 4.231 cm³
            Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.825 inch = 71.76 mm
            Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
            
            Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
            Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
            or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 102 %
            These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
            C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
            loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
            that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
            and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
            USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
            
            Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                                  %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
            ---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
            Alliant Reloder-26                  91.6     59.1     3.83    3286   100.0    62000   11618   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
            Alliant Reloder-25                 100.7     60.2     3.90    3283   100.0    62000   11393   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
            SNPE Vectan SP 12                   97.8     62.7     4.06    3273    99.4    62000   12033   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
            Vihtavuori N570                    102.0     64.6     4.19    3268    95.1    58676   13237   1.193  ! Near Maximum !
            Norma MRP                           92.9     58.2     3.77    3265   100.0    62000   11855   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
            IMR 7828 SSC                        94.1     58.1     3.76    3262    99.0    62000   11908   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
            IMR 7828                            99.5     58.1     3.76    3262    99.0    62000   11908   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
            Vihtavuori N560                     94.9     58.2     3.77    3261    98.6    62000   12252   1.160  ! Near Maximum !
            Norma MRP 2                        102.0     61.3     3.97    3253    99.2    61255   12180   1.170  ! Near Maximum !
            Accurate MAGPRO                     95.1     60.7     3.93    3245    97.5    62000   12322   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
            Alliant Reloder-22                  95.1     57.7     3.74    3237    99.6    62000   11759   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
            Alliant Reloder-33                 102.0     67.3     4.36    3237    95.3    57771   13029   1.201  ! Near Maximum !
            Randall Rausch

            AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
            Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
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            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
            Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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            • #7
              KenLS
              Junior Member
              • Mar 2017
              • 15

              Thanks.
              I actually found some Hornady Brass locally after everything online sold out.
              Found some Alliant RL25 & some Retumbo.
              Now to find No-Lead bullets. Found a couple different ones online.

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              • #8
                DDRH
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Mar 2008
                • 2756

                Originally posted by ar15barrels
                I don't have the 6.5PRC in my quickload file, but from what I understand, the powder capacity is 3-4gr less than a 6.5saum.
                Here is a Quickload pass for 6.5saum with the case capacity lowered by 4gr and the pressure held back to 62k PSI instead of 65k PSI because most cartridges shoot better a little under max pressure than right at the limit:

                Code:
                Cartridge          : 6.5 mm RSAUM
                Bullet             : .264, 120, Hornady GMX 26110
                Useable Case Capaci: 65.163 grain H2O = 4.231 cm³
                Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.825 inch = 71.76 mm
                Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
                
                Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
                Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
                or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 102 %
                These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
                C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
                loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
                that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
                and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
                USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
                
                Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
                ---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Alliant Reloder-26                  91.6     59.1     3.83    3286   100.0    62000   11618   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
                Alliant Reloder-25                 100.7     60.2     3.90    3283   100.0    62000   11393   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
                SNPE Vectan SP 12                   97.8     62.7     4.06    3273    99.4    62000   12033   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
                Vihtavuori N570                    102.0     64.6     4.19    3268    95.1    58676   13237   1.193  ! Near Maximum !
                Norma MRP                           92.9     58.2     3.77    3265   100.0    62000   11855   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
                IMR 7828 SSC                        94.1     58.1     3.76    3262    99.0    62000   11908   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
                IMR 7828                            99.5     58.1     3.76    3262    99.0    62000   11908   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
                Vihtavuori N560                     94.9     58.2     3.77    3261    98.6    62000   12252   1.160  ! Near Maximum !
                Norma MRP 2                        102.0     61.3     3.97    3253    99.2    61255   12180   1.170  ! Near Maximum !
                Accurate MAGPRO                     95.1     60.7     3.93    3245    97.5    62000   12322   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
                Alliant Reloder-22                  95.1     57.7     3.74    3237    99.6    62000   11759   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
                Alliant Reloder-33                 102.0     67.3     4.36    3237    95.3    57771   13029   1.201  ! Near Maximum !
                Randall, would you happen to have QL for 6.5 PRC with RL23? I'm planning to run 147gr ELD-M with RL23. based on Hornady's reloading data, highest speed with RL23 is roughly 2950fps. I'm trying to get to min-2950 to max-3050 with RL23.

                sorry for the thread jack

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                • #9
                  ar15barrels
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 57134

                  Originally posted by DDRH
                  Randall, would you happen to have QL for 6.5 PRC with RL23? I'm planning to run 147gr ELD-M with RL23.
                  I don't have the 147 ELD-M in my bullet library.
                  Randall Rausch

                  AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                  Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                  Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                  Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                  Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                  • #10
                    Ramsh00ter
                    Member
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Oct 2018
                    • 147

                    Hi Ken, where are you located? I'm in the Long Beach area.

                    I'm in the process of building a 6.5PRC on a Mod 70.

                    Got my barrel in last week, waiting for the custom reamer now, hope to have by the end of Feb.

                    Randall will be doing the barrel work.

                    I plan on shooting mostly Barnes stuff, but be trying some of the Hornady hunting stuff. This strictly a hunting rig.
                    "It is better to go Hunting and think about God, than to go to church and think about Hunting"

                    "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot shoot. The courage to shoot the things I can and the wisdom to dope the wind and make the shot."[/I]

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                    • #11
                      doublestar79
                      Junior Member
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 54

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                      • #12
                        DDRH
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 2756

                        for 147 ELD-M, i'm using RL26. for the Barnes 127 LRX i'm using RL23. RL23 is very Temperature stable. @ ~53gr, i'm getting ~3150fps out of a 22" bbl. ~0.4" groups.

                        @doublestar79, what powder are you planning to use with the 122Lehigh? I'm really curious to see what it'll do with RL23.

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                        • #13
                          doublestar79
                          Junior Member
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 54

                          Not sure but I might have to try re 23. Was thinking of trying re 26.


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                          • #14
                            AGGRO
                            Veteran Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 2793

                            In stock



                            Turners had 6.5 lead free bullets

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                            • #15
                              mulyhuntr
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 786

                              120 gmx’s were garbage out of both my creedmoors. They’re just magazine decoys for 147 eldm’s because they shot so bad.

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