Dillon 650 xl help

[skyline]

hello everyone I have a Dillon 650xl I have reloaded over 10k pistol rounds no problem I started reloading 223
For about 6months now and I can't seem to get it right my current problem is I can't get the case to seat a primer I preped cases with case lube swaged and de premed and cleaned primer pockets and I'm still getting no primers on 4 out of ten bullets and powder every were please help

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[mofo1111]

Maybe you are not swaging enough to take the crimp out completely. Have you used a Ballistic Tool Swage Gauge? It is basically a GO/NO GO primer pocket gauge. Look at the brass that is giving you the problems. If your brass is Lake City, Wolf, some Federal, other military brass, it will need swaging. If the brass is R-P, Hornady, etc and still giving you issues, then I'm not sure of your issue.

https://www.brownells.com/reloading/measuring-tools/case-gauges-headspace-tools/swage-gage-primer-pocket-gauge-prod71030.aspx

Thats the only thing that I can think of at the moment. Some 9mm needs to be swaged as well.

[repomanNWP]

I don't think there's enough information to know for sure, your description of 4 out of 10 cases not being primed is pretty vague. With a case in the primer seating stage, I would do the following:
1. remove the case from the shell plate and verify a new primer is the rotary primer disc ready to seat
2. If there is no primer in the disc, then the problem is in the primer feeding mechanism.
3. If there is a primer, are you properly pushing the lever all the way back to seat it? You should feel the primer seating, after seating the primer, pull the case and verify its in. If the case is not properly swaged you will feel a lot more resistance, and possibly crunch the primer. My guess is you aren't getting the primers to feed correctly into the rotary primer disc.

[ar15barrels]

hello everyone I have a Dillon 650xl I have reloaded over 10k pistol rounds no problem I started reloading 223
For about 6months now and I can't seem to get it right my current problem is I can't get the case to seat a primer I preped cases with case lube swaged and de premed and cleaned primer pockets and I'm still getting no primers on 4 out of ten bullets and powder every were please help

You need to further define what's happening or not happening..
For example, is your primer system not fully indexing and therefore there is no primer under the case when the primer seater would be pushing it into the case, or are the primers falling out of the cases after they are pressed into the cases?

These are dramatically different reasons to have the same problem...

More questions/observations:
Are you getting a lot of primers down the chute that are not getting pressed into cases?
Do you have some spent primers or other crud around the ram that is limiting your ability to press the handle backwards to seat a primer?
Is your primer tube tip damaged and not dropping primers into the primer carrier wheel?
Are you running the plastic rod on top of your primer stack?
The weight of the rod helps the primers move through the primer tube tip.

[skyline]

I am not getting primers on brass and I do see the primers piling up on the chute

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[skyline]

I do have the plastic rod in primer tube and its a whole new primer Assembly my last one went kaboom do to not swaging brass so I really check and make sure they are swaged

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[baih777]

You need that primer pocket guage.

[skyline]

ordered it already


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[ar15barrels]

I do see the primers piling up on the chute.

If they are piling up in the chute, that means they are making it into the disc but NOT making it into the cases.
Unless the primer pockets are so big that they will not hold primers, you have an indexing problem, a user problem (not pressing the handle between strokes) or a mechanical blockage that makes you THINK you pressed a primer into a case.
Is the primer carrier disc indexing properly?

Next you need to look for what is stopping the press from pushing a primer into the case.
Either YOU are not pressing the press handle or something is getting in the way of the mechanical movement and blocking the ram travel.
Are there a bunch of spent primers down below the shellplate platform where the ram goes through the press frame?

[mofo1111]

You can over-swage. I'm not sure if you can swage enough so that a new primer will just fall out of the pocket. After you get the swage gauge, check to make the primer pocket is within tolerance.
Check size of primer tube(small/large).
Check full function of primer system without any cases in disc.
Disassemble primer system if needed. I've had various springs fail/break on 650.
Check for proper disc and locator pin size.
Take out and inspect the primer seater assembly.

[skyline]

no they are mostly on chute

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[skyline]

maybe I am not setup right is any one near the Downey area that would help me set it up I can give you some money or reloading supplies for your time pm if Intrested

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[MarikinaMan]

Assuming the cases are prepped right, I would ask you, how does the lever push feel when it doesnt seat?

Have you checked if...
1) the primer catches the shell plate when seating?
2) the primer is centered to the shell plate?
3) the case is pushed properly into the shell plate by the primer stage spring loaded case holder? I prefer this set pushing firmly on the case, no space.
4) did you move or upgrade the indexer block?
5) is the shell plate assembled correctly with no washer or spacer between it and the platform?

[skyline]

1yes
2yes
3have not checked
4no
5yes

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[ar15barrels]

1yes

Well there is your problem.