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  • #46
    Table Rock Arms
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 812

    Originally posted by Adub
    Definitely a valid point, but I bet if it wasn't for him and he decided he didn't want it and sold it, he could probably get nearly as much as he decides to put into. I personally don't see them for sale too often and when you do, they sell pretty quick.
    Your probably right about that. If he actually has the cash probably not a big deal, but if he truly only has $500 then he is gonna come up short.

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    • #47
      Adub
      Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 143

      Originally posted by RLW
      Your probably right about that. If he actually has the cash probably not a big deal, but if he truly only has $500 then he is gonna come up short.
      Definitely, I was lucky enough to pick up a bunch of brass, bullets, presses, powder throwers and scales for $300 just recently to start my journey into this and buying just dies, powder, media, tumbler, trimmer and a few other things just kept me under $500 so i can't imagine starting from scratch with $500 and getting a progressive.

      Anyways, good luck! And hope you enjoy
      Last edited by Adub; 07-28-2010, 9:38 PM.

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      • #48
        Cowboy T
        Calguns Addict
        • Mar 2010
        • 5725

        Originally posted by RaymondMillbrae
        Get the Dillon XL650.
        Umm...you did read the part about "he has $500 to spend"...didn't you?

        By the way, I am a Dillon user, so I can only vouch for the Dillon. But I have heard many good things about the Hornady LNL as well.
        That may work if you have a Mercedes/Rolls-Royce reloading budget, but not everyone has that, including the OP. This guy needs a Honda Accord, not a Rolls-Royce.
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        • #49
          Malthusian
          Veteran Member
          • May 2010
          • 4133

          I originally bought the RCBS single stage combo press starter kit. It came with most of the stuff to get started. I believe I still needed to get calipers and a case tumbler.

          Looking in the Midway catalog, that would put him around $500
          "While it may come as a surprise to the authors of the legislation, most semi-automatic pistols do in fact come with a pistol grip"
          Malthusianism is the idea that population growth is potentially exponential while the growth of the food supply is arithmetical at best.

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          • #50
            RaymondMillbrae
            Veteran Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 2659

            Skip the Mickey D's for a month, skip the weekly haircut, and the kids will probably benefit from the loss of junk food snacks, and a movie or two, for a few weeks! (But they will always remember "Daddy" behind his reloading bench, teaching them how to reload).

            Save a few extra shekels, and go with the XL650.

            Look forward, never look back, and take the plunge.

            I know the OP stated that $500.00 was his limit. But if he has $500.00 smacker-roo's...then I'm sure he can come up with an extra $200.00 or $300.00 more for the "Big Boy".

            Discipline, brother.

            Go all the way.

            Progressive or bust!!!

            That's my story, and I'm running with it.

            In Christ: Raymond

            PS: I like the car analogy. (I like to read analogies. It kinda lets me see how folks mind's work). But the difference in vehicles can be a $20,000 or $30,000 difference. Whereas the progressive press difference will only be $300 to $500 difference...depending which direction you want to take. And you can always add a few extra luxury features down the road without breaking your wallet.
            Last edited by RaymondMillbrae; 07-29-2010, 2:46 PM.
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            • #51
              Cowboy T
              Calguns Addict
              • Mar 2010
              • 5725

              You're a crackup, RaymondMillbrae! :-D

              However, we're still not sure if that $500 budget is just for his press, or if it's for all the other gear that needs to go with it (tumbler, media, calipers, decent scale, at least two good load books, etc.). If that's his *total* budget, then all that other stuff can add up pretty quickly.

              ArcLight, can you clarify on this point?

              But regardless of his budget, I'd still suggest a cheapie Lee single-stage (the $30 one) to start with, to see if he actually likes the hobby. Up-front out-of-pocket expense does matter (it sure did to me, I ain't rich). Even if he goes for the Rolls--er, Dillon progressive, he'll still find a little single stage press like that handy to fix errant rounds and such.
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              • #52
                AirtechJr
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 84

                Check out calipers ($20) and tumbler @ harbor freight tools. Walnut media from a good pet store. Then get the rest used. I suggest a 550b. Worked for me. Denverduck was a great help.

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                • #53
                  AirtechJr
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 84

                  The 550b new if you can. Good luck.

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                  • #54
                    Malthusian
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 4133

                    Watch the videos of the 550B
                    Then watch the videos of the XL650

                    Not sure why the 550B is so popular. For a little more the XL650 makes my life easier
                    by far
                    "While it may come as a surprise to the authors of the legislation, most semi-automatic pistols do in fact come with a pistol grip"
                    Malthusianism is the idea that population growth is potentially exponential while the growth of the food supply is arithmetical at best.

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                    • #55
                      at_liberty
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 699

                      Originally posted by Malthusian

                      Not sure why the 550B is so popular. For a little more the XL650 makes my life easier
                      by far
                      My gunsmith friend, who has both models, indicated that caliber changes are much faster on the 550B, IIRC. The 650 changeovers aren't bad but are involved enough for owners to tend to have more than one machine just to avoid the changes.
                      Last edited by at_liberty; 09-15-2010, 4:15 PM.

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                      • #56
                        Chief-7700
                        Veteran Member
                        • May 2008
                        • 3382

                        Originally posted by at_liberty
                        My gunsmith friend, who has both models, indicated that caliber changes are much faster on the 550B, IIRC. The 650 changeovers aren't bad but are involved enough for owners to tend to have more than one machine just to avoid the changes.
                        The only real difference in caliber change outs between the RL-550B and The XL-650 is the priming system.

                        XL-650 to feed the: .45ACP's Les Baer Concept V, Ruger SR 1911, Ruger Nightwatchman,custom built Colt M1911, Springfield .45ACP Loaded.. 9MM SA Range Officer,Ruger P-85, Springfield Stainless 9MM loaded, SA 9MM 5.25" XDM, Springfield 9mm Stainless Range Officer, STI double stack .45ACP.
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                        • #57
                          at_liberty
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 699

                          Originally posted by Chief-7700
                          The only real difference in caliber change outs between the RL-550B and The XL-650 is the priming system.
                          The case feeder, which is likely included with the 650, would be a factor, right?

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                          • #58
                            Chief-7700
                            Veteran Member
                            • May 2008
                            • 3382

                            Originally posted by at_liberty
                            The case feeder, which is likely included with the 650, would be a factor, right?
                            That is around one minute to switch out four parts. The RL-550b has an optional carefeeder for it also.

                            XL-650 to feed the: .45ACP's Les Baer Concept V, Ruger SR 1911, Ruger Nightwatchman,custom built Colt M1911, Springfield .45ACP Loaded.. 9MM SA Range Officer,Ruger P-85, Springfield Stainless 9MM loaded, SA 9MM 5.25" XDM, Springfield 9mm Stainless Range Officer, STI double stack .45ACP.
                            IDPA A41750 Safety Officer
                            NRA Certified RSO
                            "Stay out of the deep end of the pool; correct the problem with your credit card, not your dremel!"

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                            • #59
                              Malthusian
                              Veteran Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 4133

                              550B case feeder only does pistol calibers, another point to consider
                              Don't know why, but that is what is posted on their website

                              For the priming system for the XL650 it is easier to buy the whole assembly i.e. have a larger primer system, order another assembly for small primers. Rather then change out the parts. I believe the assembly is around $75-$80

                              Once you have both assemblies, caliber changes are pretty fast.

                              Definitely at least get a second tool head

                              The XL650 auto indexes, the 550B does not, the XL650 has a 5th station for a powder check
                              Last edited by Malthusian; 09-15-2010, 7:10 PM.
                              "While it may come as a surprise to the authors of the legislation, most semi-automatic pistols do in fact come with a pistol grip"
                              Malthusianism is the idea that population growth is potentially exponential while the growth of the food supply is arithmetical at best.

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                              • #60
                                Cowboy T
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 5725

                                None of that matters if his budget doesn't let him afford the press, everyone. We still don't know if that $500 is his total reloading budget or just for the press.
                                "San Francisco Liberal With A Gun"
                                F***ing with people's heads, one gun show at a time. Hallelujah!
                                http://www.sanfranciscoliberalwithagun.com (reloading info w/ videos)
                                http://www.liberalsguncorner.com (podcast)
                                http://www.youtube.com/sfliberal (YouTube channel)
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                                To be a true Liberal, you must be 100% pro-Second Amendment. Anything less is inconsistent with liberalism.

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