help please loading 30 06

[NOTABIKER]

The more i read the more confused i get
1. hornady 150 gr FMJ/BT
2. powder Winchester 760
56 grains of 760 sure fills up that case and 60 gr is scary
lee info 60 gr max.

in one chart min length 2940 seems very short.
I did one bullet with 56 grains of win 760 at Oal 3230. . if i used 3.330 it seems pretty long.
It is being used in a M1 Garand with the proper end cap for using springfield ammo in a garand. 500 rounds without a problem.
This is the first time i am using hornady fmg/bt.
In the past i used other 150 grain fmj and 54 gr of 760 without a problem.A lot of knurling is showing on the bullet at 3230
THANKS

[OpenSightsOnly]

Win 760 is too slow for an M1 Garand.

Use IMR 4895, H4895, or IMR 4064 but no slower than IMR 4320.

OAL of 3.1" for M1 Garand with 150 grain is good.

[smoothy8500]

Even if you have a "proper end cap" (?) Schuster or McCann vented plug, you still risk damage as the plug can fill the vent hole with carbon.

The Hornady FMJBT have a cannelure, the "knurling", in a different area for 7.62 NATO spec. No worry when loaded to 3.100" to 3.200", no crimp needed.

Here's a list of good powders and loads:

http://masterpostemple.bravepages.com/M1load.htm

Generally, reloading manuals give loads for bolt actions-max load is too hot. Garands require specific loads.

[NOTABIKER]

Win 760 is too slow for an M1 Garand.

Use IMR 4895, H4895, or IMR 4064 but no slower than IMR 4320.

OAL of 3.1" for M1 Garand with 150 grain is good.

Been using this garand gear cap for 5 years. it is not vented.It has a enlarged chamber that brings down the max pressure. Go to the Garand gear web site and read about this part. It works perfect in a garand with M2 ball or springfield 30 06 ammo.
My garand loves win 760 with the cap.

[highpower790]

46gr of Varget/imr4895 with any bullet up to 175gr.

[OpenSightsOnly]

Had no idea what a "proper end cap" is all about until you clarified it.

Yeah, I used to use a "ported plug" but now that I reload, no need

[elk hunter]

I use a solid gas screw so I stick to IMR4895 and what ever bullet I'm using for plinking. For match ammo it's IMR4064 and a 165 gr. match bullet. My M1 is in .308 Win cal. Win 760 is slow and M2 ball is loaded to proper port pressure for the M1 30-06 without some other gas screw.

[Divernhunter]

I do not use 760 in my Garands. They are not modified.
I do use and like 760 and 748 in my other 30-06 rifles with 150gr bullets(also mil surplus 147gr). I use 60 grs of 760 all the time and as much as 62grs without any problems. This is in a pump and several bolt actions.

It is not "scary" at all. Only you know if it will not damage the M1. In any other rifle/pistol that is an excellent shooting load. I use 60-62grs of Win760 with 150gr Nosler PAR and BT bullets, 150gr Hornady SP, and a few others.

[NOTABIKER]

I do not use 760 in my Garands. They are not modified.
I do use and like 760 and 748 in my other 30-06 rifles with 150gr bullets(also mil surplus 147gr). I use 60 grs of 760 all the time and as much as 62grs without any problems. This is in a pump and several bolt actions.

It is not "scary" at all. Only you know if it will not damage the M1. In any other rifle/pistol that is an excellent shooting load. I use 60-62grs of Win760 with 150gr Nosler PAR and BT bullets, 150gr Hornady SP, and a few others.

with 62 gr i would think the bullet would compress the powder seating it ?
I only started using 760 because my first attempt at reloading was for 223 and the counter person at Ammo Bros sold me 760. i found out right away that i needed 748 for my savage bolt 223. So i bought dies for the garand and used the 760.

[Divernhunter]

Yes it is compressed, very accurate and fast. Compressed loads are not a problem. I shoot many compressed loads in many different cartridges. They are often the fastest and most accurate.

Yes they screwed you with 760 for a 223. The Win 748 is one of my favorite powders for the 223. I shoot 27gr with mag primer in mil surplus brass and a 55 gr Hornady SX bullet for ground squirrels and PD's. This has been my load since the early 1970's. With commercial brass I use 28-28.5 grs. I have used it with 40gr V-max bullets but Benchmark give me a bit of an edge with accuracy and speed with the 40gr stuff. I do not shoot anything heavier. I have larger bore rifles/pistols if I want more bullet weight.

I use mag primers for 760 and 748 partly because they are ball powders and partly because I just like to have one type of primer. I often get better accuracy with mag primers across the board on all my powders/cartridges/rifles and pistols. Do not have pressure problems either.

[ptmn]

As Divernhunter posted, they gave you bunk info on 760 for both 223 and 308. Can it be used for 223...yes, Hodgdon has posted data, but only for 82gr Berger match bullets and 90gr Sierra match bullets.

Divernhunter gave you good advice on 748. It will do both 30-06 and 223 very well with a artery of bullets weights and it's pressure curve will work with gas guns in both calibers.

760 is a good powder, but a little too slow for what your intent is. Stash it away in a cool dry place, since you are bound to find a need for it at one time or another. I'm stuck with about 25 types of powder and I'm trying to knock it down to about a dozen. I'm using lots of IMR 4895, since it does a lot well. 748 is in the same boat, does a lot well.

[Divernhunter]

The 748 is also one of the best powders for the 308win using 125, 130 and 150gr bullets. Speed and accuracy in one package. Keep in mind I only shoot hunting bullets(and mil surplus in mil rifles or some plinking) so I have never worked with target bullets for comp. I also do not shoot any 30cal bullets heavier than 150gr usually except the 165gr Swift A-Frame since they do not make that bullet in 150gr.